kindjal

[mross]

Picked this kindjal up from eprey. Always wanted one. Got it at a good price since it was listed as in rough shape. I don't think it was that bad here is the listing;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-RUS...72.m2749.l2649

It has asymmetrical fullers on either side as I hope the pics show. Any idea as to it being authentic and if so what the age is? Thanks.


and some addition pictures;

[ariel]

I am confused: your kindjal is not the same as the one you are referring to.

Yours is unquestionably authentic, end of 19- beginning of 20 century. Likely Chechen or Daghestani. Simple working example.
You may want to clean up the blade, but do not overdo it (IMHO).. you may find markings.

[mross]

Originally Posted by ariel

I am confused: your kindjal is not the same as the one you are referring to.

Yours is unquestionably authentic, end of 19- beginning of 20 century. Likely Chechen or Daghestani. Simple working example.
You may want to clean up the blade, but do not overdo it (IMHO).. you may find markings.

Thanks. That is my opinion as well. Nothing super special but a user. Double checked it. That's it in the ebay listing. Looks a lot better than those pics. I think I benefited from that. I had already cleaned it up a bit before I took the photos. Went over it with acetone, had cosmoline or something similar to it all over the blade. The handle had some sort of black silicone rubber which I am still trying to remove. Did not see any markings as of yet. Blasde is flexible and still has a decent edge. The asymmetrical fullers kinda confused me, never seen that before.

[mross]

These are pictures of the handle from the seller. As you can see one side does not have the top of the rivets. Should it? Are these usually flush with the handle or should both sides be the same? It looks like they were broken off.

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by mross

These are pictures of the handle from the seller. As you can see one side does not have the top of the rivets. Should it? Are these usually flush with the handle or should both sides be the same? It looks like they were broken off.

Usually only the front side has the protruding rivets, while the back has them flatternd flush with the surface of the hilt (if it weren't like this the protruding rivets would hurt the wearer).

I also notice the fullers are not straight, proof of very poor workmanship.

Moreover, the overall condition of the kindjal is very, very poor and I don't think it's worth the effort to be restored.

[Ren Ren]

It seems that the previous owner made an attempt to restore, but did not cope with this task. mariusgmioc wrote absolutely right about rivets.

[mross]

Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Usually only the front side has the protruding rivets, while the back has them flatternd flush with the surface of the hilt (if it weren't like this the protruding rivets would hurt the wearer).

I also notice the fullers are not straight, proof of very poor workmanship.

Moreover, the overall condition of the kindjal is very, very poor and I don't think it's worth the effort to be restored.

Thanks guys. I thought that based on other examples I had looked at but these rivets looked to be gouged out or broken which made me question. Lots of odd stuff on this one. Working on getting the black silicon off the handle, no idea why that is there. I at first thought the handle was wood. but now I'm not sure, does have some woodish texture to it but also doesn't seen like wood. The fullers are also very odd. One side seem to start from under the handle and go straight. The other side is more what I would expect, a short central fuller and two longer ones on either side.

[Ren Ren]

This is not a wood. An old buffalo horn becomes like a wood.

[mross]

Originally Posted by Ren Ren

This is not a wood. An old buffalo horn becomes like a wood.

Thanks, that makes perfect sense.