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Greetings,
Probably the title I chose is an oxymoron of sorts as is not pretty much everything to do with the keris a bit esoteric ? Anyway, whilst all kerises are by definition (as in not keris like objects) unusual in their singularity, there are some that are more unusual than most. I gather this dress would pass as esoteric? Word is free. Thanks, J. Last edited by Jussi M.; 17th August 2012 at 06:44 AM. |
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This looks like a Kalimantan style dress .
Usually they are trade blades of little value . The teeth are probably canine . Jussi, could you upload the pictures to the site please . ![]() |
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YEP KALANMANTAN STYLE YOU ALSO SEE MANDAU, SHIELDS AND SPEARS FROM THE SAME AREA DECORATED UP LIKE THIS. MY BEST GUESS ON THE TEETH IS PERHAPS THE FRONT LOWER TEETH OF A COW OR WATER BUFFALOW. NOT DOG TEETH ON ANY OF MY EXAMPLES. BUT AS MENTIONED THE BLADES ARE NOT IN GOOD SHAPE ON MY TWO EXAMPLES AT LEAST. VERY BARBARIC LOOKING ITEMS WITH PAINT HAIR , BONES AND SUCH.
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I am not sure if esoteric is the correct name for this keris...
![]() Here is a link to other weapons from the same production series. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...mandau+tourist I have never seen a picture of someone wearing this style of weapons in a traditional/ tribal setting. Unfortunately it is referred to as "Kalimantan" style. Best regards, Willem |
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SORRY ABOUT THE TERM KALAMANTAN STYLE
![]() I WONDER IF THESE ARE BEING MADE BY PEOPLE RELOCATED BY THE INDONESIAN GOVERNMENT TO KALAMANTAN? THEY DO LOOK LIKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE ORIGINATED IN BALI FOR THE TOURIST MARKET NOT A OLD TRADITIONAL DAYAK FORM AND DESIGN. PLASTIC TEETH, I HAVE SEEN VERY REALISTIC SHARK TEETH MADE OF PLASTIC FOR SOME TIME BUT NEVER THOUGHT TO CHECK THESE COW OR PLASTI COW TEETH. |
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A bit ago one similar to that popped up on eBay. I sent a PM to another forum member questioning the item. Thankfully, I was given a good education.
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We discussed these kind of keris before.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=guinea http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=naga+sasra By the way, what this guy in his best dress is doing? I donīt understand. ![]() |
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Disco Silat ?
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Aaaaahhh......
These things turn up everywhere!!!! ![]() |
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Here are a couple of more likely images of dukuns. They are traditional healers, shaman of a sort. Many dukuns are no doubt trained in the martial art of silat, but their use of the keris does not tend to be a martial one as depicted in your photograph above. Their craft involves trance and meditation as well as herbalism and spirit communication and exorcisms. They might bless your farm and your crops or practice divinations. A few have been know to practice the darker arts of malicious magic. But we are not likely to see any fine examples of keris in photographs of them at work. Here are a couple of shots, one older from the 1920s that shows no keris and a more recent shot, probably staged specifically for the photo.
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I just saw the Merriam Webster explanation for the word "esoteric" and it appears I made a poor choice of wording with the "esoteric". Should had been "odd". That being said lets play with both odd and esoteric. My initial idea had pretty much anything out of the ordinary in mind. Sorry for the confusion ![]() |
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Well yes, that first series of photos is indeed "odd"...
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I recognize those pictures. They are of Pendekar Eddie Jafri from his interview with Greg Alland. I wondered about all of the stuff hanging from his keris when I watched the video. I've never seen anything like it.
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