ISB Sword Makers?

celtan · 9th December 2008, 07:38 PM

Hi Guys,

Have been trying to find info on ISB sword smith(s). I believe they were either german or dutch. Does anyone know about him or them?

Best

M

Jim McDougall · 9th December 2008, 10:09 PM

Hi Manuel,
What type of sword is this on, sometimes context helps, though you have noted German or Dutch.

Best regards,
Jim

celtan · 9th December 2008, 10:45 PM

Best

M

Jim McDougall · 10th December 2008, 12:44 AM

Hi Manuel,
Isnt this a Napoleonic court epee very much like the one you posted at the end of October? It seems that one had a strikingly similar panel at the forte with the intials IGB on it, the festooned and bordered enclosure looks very much the same also. I believe the suggestions were the Bogel family in Germany or Broch was the other name suggested.

All the best,
Jim

celtan · 10th December 2008, 02:42 PM

Hi Jim,

Well, there's indeed a general similarity. The other's blade was hollow triangular, this one is flat. An yes, I thought about the initials similarity, but the other one middle initial was definitely G/C, and this one is S (ISB).

Perhaps Iohannes Bogel set shop with another sword-smith whose name starts with S?

The blade looks later that the Naploeonic epee previously submitted, although following a similar french style. Did you notice the Nethelandic looking lion on the hilt?

Best

Manuel

celtan · 20th January 2009, 04:37 PM

I have been informed by Dominic, a friend collector from another forum, that ISB stands for Isaac Schimmel Busch, an armourer from Solingen.

I haven't been able to find any further info on him.

Does any other friendly forumite have any info on this armourer?

Dom also informed me he doesn't believe this is a Dutch sword. The only other alternative as I see it is perhaps Belgian.

Any thoughts on the matter?

Best

Manuel

9th December 2008, 07:38 PM	#1
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	ISB Sword Makers? Hi Guys, Have been trying to find info on ISB sword smith(s). I believe they were either german or dutch. Does anyone know about him or them? Best M

9th December 2008, 10:09 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,957	Hi Manuel, What type of sword is this on, sometimes context helps, though you have noted German or Dutch. Best regards, Jim

9th December 2008, 10:45 PM	#3
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Best M

10th December 2008, 12:44 AM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,957	Hi Manuel, Isnt this a Napoleonic court epee very much like the one you posted at the end of October? It seems that one had a strikingly similar panel at the forte with the intials IGB on it, the festooned and bordered enclosure looks very much the same also. I believe the suggestions were the Bogel family in Germany or Broch was the other name suggested. All the best, Jim

10th December 2008, 02:42 PM	#5
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Hi Jim, Well, there's indeed a general similarity. The other's blade was hollow triangular, this one is flat. An yes, I thought about the initials similarity, but the other one middle initial was definitely G/C, and this one is S (ISB). Perhaps Iohannes Bogel set shop with another sword-smith whose name starts with S? The blade looks later that the Naploeonic epee previously submitted, although following a similar french style. Did you notice the Nethelandic looking lion on the hilt? Best Manuel

20th January 2009, 04:37 PM	#6
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	I have been informed by Dominic, a friend collector from another forum, that ISB stands for Isaac Schimmel Busch, an armourer from Solingen. I haven't been able to find any further info on him. Does any other friendly forumite have any info on this armourer? Dom also informed me he doesn't believe this is a Dutch sword. The only other alternative as I see it is perhaps Belgian. Any thoughts on the matter? Best Manuel