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Old 11th January 2019, 12:02 AM   #1
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I do not know much about Philippine weapons, but am sure I have never seen anything like that.
Doesn't the blade look yataghan-ish?
Had it not been for the pommel, I would have thought it was a late 19th century yataghan.

Am I imagining?
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Old 11th January 2019, 12:35 AM   #2
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Hi Ariel:

This appears to be an Ilokano piece from N. Luzon. It probably falls into the general category of a dahong palay, a well recognized Ilokano blade form that has been discussed on this forum a number of times. Perhaps it is the angle of the picture that gives it a somewhat yataghan shape, but usually the width of the blade is uniform up to the area where it narrows to a central point.

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Old 11th January 2019, 02:31 AM   #3
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Thanks Ian.
Now I am content: no yataghans in Luzon.
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Old 11th January 2019, 05:50 AM   #4
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Hi Ariel:

This appears to be an Ilokano piece from N. Luzon. It probably falls into the general category of a dahong palay, a well recognized Ilokano blade form that has been discussed on this forum a number of times. Perhaps it is the angle of the picture that gives it a somewhat yataghan shape, but usually the width of the blade is uniform up to the area where it narrows to a central point.

Ian.
Strongly agree, definitely a dahongpalay (or dinahong-palay, depends on which area classifies it). And yes, agree that it's from Ilocos, most likely Santa, Ilocos Sur.
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Old 14th January 2019, 06:19 PM   #5
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Default Philippine Yataghans?

Hi All,

Would these two Philippine short swords qualify as having yataghan blades?

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Old 14th January 2019, 10:34 PM   #6
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Hi Rob:

These are two recurved knives/swords, and resemble a yataghan in that way, but I think that is where the similarity ends. Recurved blades are found in many cultures, probably reflecting parallel development. The yataghan is one of many examples.

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Old 14th January 2019, 10:43 PM   #7
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I believe recurved bayonets were also all the rage for a short while in the mid 19th century. Perhaps some influence from those???... though I am unaware of what bayonets the Filipinos would have seen from armies like the US, Spanish and perhaps even the Dutch.
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Old 15th January 2019, 12:06 AM   #8
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If I am not mistaken, the yataghan form bayonets came in the 19th century influenced from the French bayonets, which themselves influenced by the yataghans from the Ottomans. I would not be surprised that they influenced the rest of the West, including Spain.

But also agree with Ian in that many cultures come up with similar designs.
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