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A nice old knife, horn (green) slabs, held on with 6 steel/iron pins. The blade is hollow ground 5" long. OAL 8.5". The decorative 'semi circular petrusion' either side of the blade next to the handle (not sure what to call it
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Looks like a Cretan one.
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Aside from Ariels observation, it would be interesting to know more about the details present on this knife. The decoration on the back of the blade seems to be a crosshatch pattern with dots, is this style known on any other edged weapons ?
If the mounts are lead or pewter, it sounds like a very modern example. Best regards, Jim |
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Hi Ariel,
thank you for your reply ![]() ".....I would also say that they look a bit more modern, towards early 1900s, because of the lack of proper decoration on the metal strip between the handles. At the 1870s time, still most daggers had a scroll floral decoration engraved on this metal script. The simple "zig-zag" decoration starts latter, maybe from 1890s and then in 1920s or so we have no decaration at all, as one of the examples. Industrial revolution affected all societies, so less time was devoted to a specific knife......." Quote from Eftihis from this thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=Cretan As this knife has scroll decoration, can I assume it is around 1870 in date ? The blade on mine also has the remains of scroll/foilage engraving with is heavily worn. The very dark patination seems to suggest late 19th c. Could someone tell me from what animal the horn is from, is it naturally greenish in colour or is it dyed ? I also got the impression (from other threads on these knives) that older versions of these knives are relatively rare.....is this the case? Regards David |
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Hi Jim,
sorry I missed your post ...we posted at similar times ...which probably explains why. Nice to hear from you ![]() The lead/pewter is in fact the same 'silver' as the handle, It appeared to be seperate pieces but is part of the handle, the 'thumb wear through' (shown in one of the photos, the 6th one from the top) gave this impression....my mistake ![]() My excuse for this mistake is that I was up most of the night watching the 'shooting stars' as earth passes through the path of a comet. http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/weather/perseids.shtml So I've been half asleep with a neck ache for most of the day....not complaining ..it was worth it ![]() Kind Regards David |
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It is a Cretan knife and IMHO it is at least 100 old. The handle is made from goat horn.
I suppose Eftihis is on vacations so he didnt answer your questions ![]() |
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Thank you for your opinion Yannis
![]() I definately feel that this knife is old and your suggestion of over a 'century' seems highly likely. Shame there wasn't a scabbard.....are they leather covered wood ? Has anyone got a pic of a scabbard....as I would like to try and make one for it. If anyone has any more information or comments I will be grateful if you could post. This is my first Cretan knife and know very little about them, thanks David |
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Here are two simple scabbards. Leather on wood. Sometimes there is a metallic ring on the throat of the scabbard and metallic tip.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=cretan |
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Crete is still making these knives, here's a maybe not quite so fancy general purpose knife:
![]() ![]() 6" hunting knife, couple of years old. synthetic scabbard, olive wood scales, 3mm blade thickness. marked xania - armenis, a local brand made by apostolis in xania. (and a name apparently also used by other cretan knifesmiths in imitation) apparently when he moved to xania 45 years ago the locals thought he was an armenian ![]() i understand he's getting old & not making many anymore, most of the competition has died out, so there may not be many more made by hand anymore.... (the folder at top is a french Marjacq twistlock in ebony - 3 3/8" Hi carbon steel blade) for more info on cretan knives of a much higher caliber & of the more traditional style see the Cretan Knife Website Last edited by kronckew; 15th August 2007 at 12:58 PM. |
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Hi David, it is a good, ordinary working example of a cretan knife, nothing special thought. Late 19th to early 20th century. I would suggest to leave it as it is, utherwise find a scabbard from a finish pukko, it fits well if you find the same size.
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