Unusual dha/dao for comment, Yunnan, Dai, HuSa?

Sajen · 27th March 2015, 06:34 PM

With the great and kind help of a forum member I was able to acquire this unusual dha like sword, I would call it dao. I think that it is from Yunnan but unsure about the exact origin. Is it another HuSa dao or a Dai dao? Or I am complete wrong? All comments are very welcome.

Gehazi · 27th March 2015, 07:58 PM

beautiful! and is that some kind of lotus mark? I have never seen one like it! definitely near china in my mind though. ( so you are probably right)

russel · 28th March 2015, 04:02 AM

I was watching this one, great catch!

Sajen · 28th March 2015, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gehazi

beautiful! and is that some kind of lotus mark? I have never seen one like it! definitely near china in my mind though. ( so you are probably right)

Thank you Gehazi,
there was once a thread about blade markings but can't find it in the moment. When I remember correct it's called sunburst mark but this marks are somtimes different, can't remember to have seen one exactly like this.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 28th March 2015, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by russel

I was watching this one, great catch!

Thank you Russel!

Sajen · 28th March 2015, 02:18 PM

Here is the thread about blade marks: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5753

Ian · 31st March 2015, 07:57 PM

Sajen:

I have a dha in the Kachin style that I purchased from Philip Tom several years ago that has the same lobulated form of guard with a similar three-part Burmese style hilt. Clearly a Chinese influence and likely from Yunnan.

Ian.

Gavin Nugent · 31st March 2015, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

With the great and kind help of a forum member I was able to acquire this unusual dha like sword, I would call it dao. I think that it is from Yunnan but unsure about the exact origin. Is it another HuSa dao or a Dai dao? Or I am complete wrong? All comments are very welcome.

Certainly Husa Achang.

Although not high res, a similar mark can be seen here;
http://www.chinaculture.org/gb/en_wh...tent_88094.htm

Here is one of mine in post 9 with the same guard and a blade with a spine thickness of 3/4 of a inch thick at the guard face and 11/16th at the guards edge.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...59&postcount=9

Gavin

Sajen · 31st March 2015, 09:25 PM

Thank you both for confirming my guess!

Regards,
Detlef

CharlesS · 31st March 2015, 09:39 PM

Detlef,

This one just looks like it has a wicked balance and weight. How does it handle?

Sajen · 31st March 2015, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesS

Detlef,

This one just looks like it has a wicked balance and weight. How does it handle?

Hello Charles,
I don't have it here in Germany, it's still by the very kind forum member who have given me the great help to acquire it. Maybe he can comment in this matter!?

Regards,
Detlef

Robert · 1st April 2015, 03:22 PM

Unfortunately because of physical limitations I cannot give a truly accurate description of how it handles, but will do the best that I can. As I am really not used to handling this style of sword and with the POB being 5-1/2" from the guard it seems a bit point heavy to me when being used one-handed. With a two handed grip it is a completely different matter and handles beautifully feeling very light and fast. I hope that my poor description helps to answer Charles questions.

Best,
Robert

Sajen · 1st April 2015, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert

Unfortunately because of physical limitations I cannot give a truly accurate description of how it handles, but will do the best that I can. As I am really not used to handling this style of sword and with the POB being 5-1/2" from the guard it seems a bit point heavy to me when being used one-handed. With a two handed grip it is a completely different matter and handles beautifully feeling very light and fast. I hope that my poor description helps to answer Charles questions.

Best,
Robert

Thank you very much Robert.

Best regards,
Detlef

Nathaniel · 5th April 2015, 08:33 PM

Very nice daab, Sajen, thanks for sharing! Love to see the variety/ mix

This is a thread I had started a while back which deals more specifically with daab/darb/dha makers marks

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8651

Nathaniel · 5th April 2015, 08:36 PM

I remember too Charles had posted one with a similar handle and guard.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16341

Sajen · 5th April 2015, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathaniel

Very nice daab, Sajen, thanks for sharing! Love to see the variety/ mix

This is a thread I had started a while back which deals more specifically with daab/darb/dha makers marks

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8651

Thank you Nathaniel. Also for the link, the mark in post #5 from Mark seem to be the same as by mine.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 5th April 2015, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathaniel

I remember too Charles had posted one with a similar handle and guard.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16341

Thank you again, indeed very similar.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 1st July 2015, 01:01 AM

Just want to show the restored scabbard. Robert has done a great job. He has closed a big split in the wood and has worked new fittings for the scabbard. Now this dao look great again.

russel · 1st July 2015, 01:23 AM

Spectacular restoration, particularly the silver fittings!

Ian · 1st July 2015, 02:37 AM

Very nice restoration Detlef. It is an interesting cross-cultural mix. I managed to find pictures of my example. It is number 3 in the group below. This one has a squared-off end of the blade, in the Kachin style, but no marks to help identify the maker.

Ian.

drac2k · 1st July 2015, 03:18 AM

Beautiful dha ;the best attributes from many cultures !

Sajen · 1st July 2015, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by russel

Spectacular restoration, particularly the silver fittings!

Hello Russel,

the compliment has to go to Robert who has done this great job. The fittings are not from silver but from brass silver washed to correspond with the handle.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 1st July 2015, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Very nice restoration Detlef. It is an interesting cross-cultural mix. I managed to find pictures of my example. It is number 3 in the group below. This one has a squared-off end of the blade, in the Kachin style, but no marks to help identify the maker.

Ian.

Hello Ian,

like said, the compliment has to go to Robert. Thank you for posting your nice example. I am a little bit unsure if this marks can be attributed to a special maker.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 1st July 2015, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by drac2k

Beautiful dha ;the best attributes from many cultures !

Thank you as well.

I am very happy to be the current owner of this nice piece and that I was able to give it the attention it has missed for some time.

Regards,
Detlef

russel · 1st July 2015, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello Russel,

the compliment has to go to Robert who has done this great job. The fittings are not from silver but from brass silver washed to correspond with the handle.

Regards,
Detlef

Hello Detlef,

Yes my compliment was intended for Robert - outstanding and impressive work (as always). And congratulations to you on acquiring such an interesting item.

Cheers, Russel

CharlesS · 1st July 2015, 11:03 AM

Beautiful restoration....such an interesting piece!

Sajen · 1st July 2015, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Beautiful restoration....such an interesting piece!

Thank you Charles!

Sajen · 31st July 2016, 12:11 PM

Would like to share some pictures of the full restored sword. After Robert has done such a great work on the scabbard now Roland have polished and etched the blade, a great thank to him. The blade shows a beautiful lamination. Enjoy the pictures.

Sajen · 31st July 2016, 12:20 PM

And here a scan picture of both sides of the blade where you can see also in up the construction of the tip from the blade.

Ian · 31st July 2016, 08:45 PM

Lovely etching of the blade to show a very active pattern. Kudos to Roland and Robert for the restoration work. Very interesting cross-cultural dha.

Ian

27th March 2015, 06:34 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Unusual dha/dao for comment, Yunnan, Dai, HuSa? With the great and kind help of a forum member I was able to acquire this unusual dha like sword, I would call it dao. I think that it is from Yunnan but unsure about the exact origin. Is it another HuSa dao or a Dai dao? Or I am complete wrong? All comments are very welcome. Attached Images Last edited by Sajen; 27th March 2015 at 10:30 PM. Reason: add pictures

1st July 2015, 01:01 AM	#18
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Just want to show the restored scabbard. Robert has done a great job. He has closed a big split in the wood and has worked new fittings for the scabbard. Now this dao look great again. Attached Images

1st July 2015, 02:37 AM	#20
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,194	Very nice restoration Detlef. It is an interesting cross-cultural mix. I managed to find pictures of my example. It is number 3 in the group below. This one has a squared-off end of the blade, in the Kachin style, but no marks to help identify the maker. Ian. Attached Images Last edited by Ian; 1st July 2015 at 11:54 AM.

31st July 2016, 12:11 PM	#28
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Would like to share some pictures of the full restored sword. After Robert has done such a great work on the scabbard now Roland have polished and etched the blade, a great thank to him. The blade shows a beautiful lamination. Enjoy the pictures. Attached Images

31st July 2016, 12:20 PM	#29
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	And here a scan picture of both sides of the blade where you can see also in up the construction of the tip from the blade. Attached Images Last edited by Sajen; 31st July 2016 at 01:45 PM.

27th March 2015, 07:58 PM	#2
Gehazi Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: TN, USA Posts: 21	beautiful! and is that some kind of lotus mark? I have never seen one like it! definitely near china in my mind though. ( so you are probably right)

28th March 2015, 04:02 AM	#3
russel Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tasmania, Australia Posts: 236	I was watching this one, great catch!

28th March 2015, 02:18 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Here is the thread about blade marks: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5753

31st March 2015, 07:57 PM	#7
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,194	Sajen: I have a dha in the Kachin style that I purchased from Philip Tom several years ago that has the same lobulated form of guard with a similar three-part Burmese style hilt. Clearly a Chinese influence and likely from Yunnan. Ian.

31st March 2015, 09:25 PM	#9
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Thank you both for confirming my guess! Regards, Detlef

31st March 2015, 09:39 PM	#10
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	Detlef, This one just looks like it has a wicked balance and weight. How does it handle?

1st April 2015, 03:22 PM	#12
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Unfortunately because of physical limitations I cannot give a truly accurate description of how it handles, but will do the best that I can. As I am really not used to handling this style of sword and with the POB being 5-1/2" from the guard it seems a bit point heavy to me when being used one-handed. With a two handed grip it is a completely different matter and handles beautifully feeling very light and fast. I hope that my poor description helps to answer Charles questions. Best, Robert

5th April 2015, 08:33 PM	#14
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	Very nice daab, Sajen, thanks for sharing! Love to see the variety/ mix This is a thread I had started a while back which deals more specifically with daab/darb/dha makers marks http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8651

5th April 2015, 08:36 PM	#15
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	I remember too Charles had posted one with a similar handle and guard. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16341

1st July 2015, 01:23 AM	#19
russel Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tasmania, Australia Posts: 236	Spectacular restoration, particularly the silver fittings!

1st July 2015, 03:18 AM	#21
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,230	Beautiful dha ;the best attributes from many cultures !

1st July 2015, 11:03 AM	#26
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	Beautiful restoration....such an interesting piece!

31st July 2016, 08:45 PM	#30
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,194	Lovely etching of the blade to show a very active pattern. Kudos to Roland and Robert for the restoration work. Very interesting cross-cultural dha. Ian