A very long flintlock pistol for comment

[Cerjak]

This pistol size is around 64 cm ,the lock is from Marseille and it 's seems for me that this pistol was made for the oriental market.
Any comment on it will be welcome.

Cerjak

[Cerjak]

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[Cerjak]

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[fernando]

A big pistol indeed
If you don't mind, i would suspect the writings of France and Marseille on the barrel and on the lock. It could be a trading illusion.
The Liege proof mark is there to remind you.


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[Fernando K]

Dear Cerjak:

Just to point out the obvious: the upper jaw is not original .....

Fernando K

[Cerjak]

[QUOTE=fernando]A big pistol indeed
If you don't mind, i would suspect the writings of France and Marseille on the barrel and on the lock. It could be a trading illusion.
The Liege proof mark is there to remind you.


Regards

Cerjak
Good eyes Fernando !

Yes many barrels from French guns & pistols was made in Belgium but the lock is from Marseilles it's not the first time I see that.
See the following pictures from a french gun with mark from ST OMER ( north of France and Liege proof mark too.

Regards

Cerjak

[Cerjak]

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Dear Cerjak:

Just to point out the obvious: the upper jaw is not original .....

Fernando K

Yes Fernando k , and the flash pan and the dog have been replaced ( the dog seems to be too small in my eyes.
Regards

Cerjak

[Fernando K]

Dear Cerjak:

I have understood that for a reason that escapes, some weapons produced in France were taken to Liege Testbed for testing. In any case, this would be the case-

I do not think you replace the pan (bread), preserving the rake (Frizen). although I have not seen the inside of the key (lock) should be mounted a stone (flint) and watch the rake hits (Frizen).

Can you know that there are inscriptions in the key (lock) to more than "Marseille"?

Sorry to see a translator. English is not my language, not the domain

Fernando k

[fernando]

Fernando K is right. I am also aware that some French gun makers tested their arms in Liege, but i also don't remember the reason; maybe for some kind of convenience. There are also gun makers that, being French, made part or all their manufacture in Liege workshops.
Also as a curiosity we may recall that the Liege "ELG in the oval" proof mark was introduced by the Napoleonic proof rule in 1810, when the French occupied Liege.
It would be interesting to know all the words engraved in your pistol lock plate, if you find it possible.

[Cerjak]

Dear Fernando & Fernando K,
It is very hard to read something on this lock the second ligne 3 last letter are neux but the first line except the first letter a M and the 2 last letters ch and in the middle one e ..
In the rear side from the lock a C.
With a list from all the gunmakers from Marseille it will be more easy to find the full name but I didn't found those informations.

Regards

Cerjak

[Fernando K]

Dear Cerjak:

Magnifica key (lock), In my humble opinion, has not changed the pan (bread). This is rainproof (rain-proof) and is welded to the plate (plate). I do not think that is forged with Platen (plate). Has quality details, like the end of the rake (Frizen), the end of the mainspring, the bar that attaches to the nut with the mainspring, spring rake (Frizen) finished in a bearing, the decoration of the bridge (bridle ). The cat feet (cock) seems original, and the only piece not original is the upper jaw, made with a metal disc that was cut a segment.

I think the key barrel and were produced in France, and exported to East. Watch parts seem not worked by chiseling, and shaping is achieved by casting: look a bit grotesque.

Affectionately. Fernando K

[Cerjak]

Yes Fernando K again good eyes it is never easy to works from photos ! yes shaping is achieved by casting.What is your opinion about the possible age from this Pistol.

Regards

Cerjak

[Fernando K]

Dear Cerjak:

In my opinion, the gun is the last period of the spark ingcion, continued to be used in Eastern countries until well into the nineteenth century, say circa 1850.

Fernando K

[Cerjak]

Fernando

I think that it is correct for the date when it was made but the lock seems to me more old may be was from a older stock ...

Regards
Cerjak

[broadaxe]

Originally Posted by Fernando K

Dear Cerjak:

In my opinion, the gun is the last period of the spark ingcion, continued to be used in Eastern countries until well into the nineteenth century, say circa 1850.

Fernando K

Very true and even later, to ~1900. Percussion guns were in use until WWII.

If I recall right, Liege was under French protectorate for a certain period after 1810, so maybe it was regarded a legit part of France?

By design and decorations, the it appears to be an Ottoman saddle pistol.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by broadaxe

... If I recall right, Liege was under French protectorate for a certain period after 1810, so maybe it was regarded a legit part of France? ...

As approached in post #9 ?