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Old 11th December 2017, 10:20 AM   #1
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Default Decorated Ottoman Pistol Barrel with makers marks

Ottoman, maybe late 18th C.(?)

Pattern weld barrel

Damacened/gold inlay

top/bottom makers marks

Slightly unattractive European export type furniture supporting barrel, looks to have been zealously restored/put together a number of years ago.

Photos here concentrate on the barrel, which seems interesting.

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Old 11th December 2017, 10:23 AM   #2
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Old 11th December 2017, 10:27 AM   #3
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Old 11th December 2017, 10:30 AM   #4
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And a last picture, of the barrel plug or tang..

36 cm barrel, excluding tang.
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Old 13th December 2017, 12:34 AM   #5
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I LOVE THE GOLD WORK!
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Old 13th December 2017, 01:50 PM   #6
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Yes, a little worn but nice!
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Old 13th December 2017, 04:09 PM   #7
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Beautiful .
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Old 14th December 2017, 04:30 PM   #8
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Jon,
A beautiful barrel indeed. Here's another, not as beautiful as yours, also pattern weld (or etched(?), with silver inlay and somewhat similar mark. I believe it is 19thC Persian or Caucasian. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will confirm.
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Old 14th December 2017, 05:08 PM   #9
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Excellent, excellent...Makers marks look very similar, if not identical. I need to sit down and compare them. Many thanks Alex!
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Old 16th December 2017, 11:41 AM   #10
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Hi Jon.

WOW !!! That is a great looking pistol - and a beautiful barrel. Overall, the pistol looks like it was made for the Ottoman market. The wrist inlay, with what appears to be a half moon and star is one possible clue.
BARREL: The gold overlay is beautiful. And only slightly worn. If it was re-done, it looks like it was a long time ago. The chisel work on the barrel is very well executed with a wonderful design. The three ribs extending up the barrel to the twist and dot decoration looks great. This took a long time to do. Even the well fitted breech plug looks to be up to European standards. Interesting the makers stamp on both the top AND BOTTOM of the barrel. I'm thinking this barrel was locally made, but to a good standard. Although it could have started as a European export in plain form and decorated and stamped locally. Which would not be unusual.
STOCK: The stock mountings look like Europen export pieces with the trigger guard decorated locally. Notice the guard is attached with nails versus screws. A common trait with Ottoman/Balkan pistols.Looks to be well assembled.
LOCK: From a distance, at first glance, it looks like it may be a European export. The finer cut threads on the top screw and the overall finish look to be well done and typical of European quality. A couple of close-up pics of the inside and outside of the lock may offer better clues wheather European or locally made.

It's cerainly a great looking pistol I would love to own. LOL

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Old 16th December 2017, 11:45 AM   #11
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Jon,
A beautiful barrel indeed. Here's another, not as beautiful as yours, also pattern weld (or etched(?), with silver inlay and somewhat similar mark. I believe it is 19thC Persian or Caucasian. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will confirm.
Hi Alex.

Yes, the marks on your's and Jon's barrels do indeed look very similar. Interesting. If they are, could mean the barrels were both made in the same shop. Hope someone can possibly add to this.

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