pair of pistols by H Nock

terry1956 · 21st October 2011, 11:05 AM

hi chaps, as a late brithday gift to myself I picked up a nice matched pair of pistols by H Nock. I have a few questions. the first being I know a little about H Nock and that he stopped trading in 1804 but can anyone please tell em a bit more about the man.
the second is these pistols are musket bored, so would it not be to out of line to say that the oficer who purchased these from new was a fighting officer with some money, this leads me onto the 3rd question, when new what price would these of been.
thanks michael

Matchlock · 21st October 2011, 02:02 PM

Hi Michael,

I would date your pistols closely to the 1790's.
For more on the maker please see

http://asoac.org/bulletins/88_wainright_nock.pdf

Best,
Michael

terry1956 · 21st October 2011, 02:20 PM

Thanks for the link, interesting. michael

Matchlock · 22nd October 2011, 02:56 AM

Hi Michael,

Given the fact that your pair of Nock pistols is actually preserved in the virtually 'untouched' sate of condition that I assume telling from your pics I would just gently rub all the iron surfaces with olive oil. Please, in any case, leave the wooden surface alone.

And: I hope I'm not the only one to desire seeing better images - would that be possible?

Best, my namesake,
Michael

Matchlock · 22nd October 2011, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terry1956

this leads me onto the 3rd question, when new what price would these of been.
thanks michael

Oh Michael,

That of course is a really demanding question.

I'll try and leaf thru my archives though. On the other hand, in order to put the 200 year price in a both reasonable and comparable relation to 21st c. market prices we would have to to learn a lot about the actual historic purchase power of 220 years ago ... Maybe some local economy historian could help you along with this ...

Best,
Michael

terry1956 · 16th November 2011, 10:33 AM

thanks for that, but it was the price the first owner would of payed that i was interested in. I have a good collection of weapons and in the main they are british officers swords and pistols, and I am alway wondering how much they would of paid for these weapons when new, it just adds a bit more interest for me. michael

Atlantia · 16th November 2011, 11:27 AM

H. Nock was a very good maker. I've a small boxlock pocket pistol with sliding safety by Nock.
Nock pistols seem to have many notable uses. The 'volley gun' ducks-foot pistol used by the Royal navy is perhaps the most famous.
I've heard it said that the great Nelson himself (as a young officer) would lead the charge onto the French decks, charging forward with his Nock Pistol and sword!
A formidable opponent for sure.
Nock guns are of course relatively common as 'he' (his several workshops) were very well patronised and prolific, but the quality is always in my experience excellent!
Beautiful pair of pistols BTW!

Dmitry · 16th November 2011, 02:21 PM

Can you post photos of the locks and trigger guards, and the proof marks on the barrels? Thanks.

rickystl · 16th November 2011, 05:52 PM

Great looking set of pistols!! And wonderful condition!! Congrats. Rick.

terry1956 · 21st November 2011, 09:31 PM

sorry for late reply been away, here are a few more pics, michael

Matchlock · 21st November 2011, 10:39 PM

Congrats, Michael,

Great condition and optimum original surface finish!

Best,
Michael

rickystl · 23rd November 2011, 02:33 PM

Wonderful, top condition pieces. Congrats!!! Rick.

terry1956 · 23rd November 2011, 06:30 PM

thanks chaps, yes they are nice, I am looking for a french pair to go along with them, michael

21st October 2011, 11:05 AM	#1
terry1956 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: yeovil, somerset, uk Posts: 75	pair of pistols by H Nock hi chaps, as a late brithday gift to myself I picked up a nice matched pair of pistols by H Nock. I have a few questions. the first being I know a little about H Nock and that he stopped trading in 1804 but can anyone please tell em a bit more about the man. the second is these pistols are musket bored, so would it not be to out of line to say that the oficer who purchased these from new was a fighting officer with some money, this leads me onto the 3rd question, when new what price would these of been. thanks michael Attached Images

21st October 2011, 02:20 PM	#3
terry1956 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: yeovil, somerset, uk Posts: 75	thanks Thanks for the link, interesting. michael

16th November 2011, 10:33 AM	#6
terry1956 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: yeovil, somerset, uk Posts: 75	in reply thanks for that, but it was the price the first owner would of payed that i was interested in. I have a good collection of weapons and in the main they are british officers swords and pistols, and I am alway wondering how much they would of paid for these weapons when new, it just adds a bit more interest for me. michael

21st November 2011, 09:31 PM	#10
terry1956 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: yeovil, somerset, uk Posts: 75	will post pics tomorrow, been away sorry for late reply been away, here are a few more pics, michael Attached Images

23rd November 2011, 06:30 PM	#13
terry1956 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: yeovil, somerset, uk Posts: 75	thanks chaps thanks chaps, yes they are nice, I am looking for a french pair to go along with them, michael

21st October 2011, 02:02 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Michael, I would date your pistols closely to the 1790's. For more on the maker please see http://asoac.org/bulletins/88_wainright_nock.pdf Best, Michael

22nd October 2011, 02:56 AM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Michael, Given the fact that your pair of Nock pistols is actually preserved in the virtually 'untouched' sate of condition that I assume telling from your pics I would just gently rub all the iron surfaces with olive oil. Please, in any case, leave the wooden surface alone. And: I hope I'm not the only one to desire seeing better images - would that be possible? Best, my namesake, Michael

16th November 2011, 11:27 AM	#7
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	H. Nock was a very good maker. I've a small boxlock pocket pistol with sliding safety by Nock. Nock pistols seem to have many notable uses. The 'volley gun' ducks-foot pistol used by the Royal navy is perhaps the most famous. I've heard it said that the great Nelson himself (as a young officer) would lead the charge onto the French decks, charging forward with his Nock Pistol and sword! A formidable opponent for sure. Nock guns are of course relatively common as 'he' (his several workshops) were very well patronised and prolific, but the quality is always in my experience excellent! Beautiful pair of pistols BTW!

16th November 2011, 02:21 PM	#8
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Can you post photos of the locks and trigger guards, and the proof marks on the barrels? Thanks.

16th November 2011, 05:52 PM	#9
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Great looking set of pistols!! And wonderful condition!! Congrats. Rick.

21st November 2011, 10:39 PM	#11
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Congrats, Michael, Great condition and optimum original surface finish! Best, Michael

23rd November 2011, 02:33 PM	#12
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Wonderful, top condition pieces. Congrats!!! Rick.