Trabzon short swords

erlikhan · 26th January 2006, 05:40 PM

My latest acquisitions, a pair of Eastern Black sea region of Turkey-Trabzon short swords with horn hilts. In fact I bought them from different shops but they look similar almost enough to accept as a pair. One is dated 1896 gregorien and its Hijri equivalent, and the other is dated only hijri, and there are just 10 years between their dates.

TVV · 27th January 2006, 08:11 AM

Thanks for posting those. I love it every time I see something new and really cool in this forum. How long are they?

Valjhun · 27th January 2006, 08:51 AM

Nice finds Erlikhan!

I also bought one, but still haven't recived it yet:

erlikhan · 1st February 2006, 08:57 AM

The blades are around 45 cms. Valjhun, yours is very nice too. Bought it from ebay?

Valjhun · 5th February 2006, 11:37 AM

Yes, I've bought it fropm ebay, still haven't recived it yet. And here is the "matching" dagger:

erlikhan · 5th February 2006, 11:59 AM

is the world really that small or just the community of edged weapon collectors?? I am the seller of this dagger. It is sent to your ebay registered adress in Slovenia early this week, you must receive it in a few days

regards

Valjhun · 5th February 2006, 02:38 PM

Nice! I gues that the world is getting smaller from day to day, nowadays... I find surprising the fact that the world collectiong community is not that big as one would expect. I'm really looking forward to recive that dagger, Thanks again!

manicdj · 5th February 2006, 09:49 PM

What I see makes my green with envy, nice, gad I got to see them pics.

Valjhun · 9th March 2006, 06:32 PM

Tattarattataraaaaa!

And after a month of waiting, hoping, ecc I'm proud to present my Black sea group! Here they are, like the gollum said: "my precious, my pride!" The small one was a bitch, it took over a month toi get it from Bulgaria

Whatever, I'm the happiest forumite today!

Valjhun · 11th March 2006, 05:35 PM

I have another two questions for the short sword.

Firs is regarding the date. Looking at Tirri's it should be 12?1 A.H. How do you translate the symbol <?

The second question is about the small dagger. The seller said in the description that it is from Bursa province, but to me the style looks almost the same as the other one from Trabzon...

Thanks!

Valjhun · 9th April 2006, 10:38 PM

I'm pushing thatone up, 'cos I think it was overlooked and that someone surly knows the answer to my questions...

erlikhan · 13th May 2006, 11:49 AM

Valjhun,the answer of your question can not be supported with exact criteria,but feelings which depend much on functionality,esthetics and the number of samples seen from different regions in past.Trabzon arms are more functional, Turko-Caucassian influenced hilts,curvatures,fullers everything are appropriate to and come after the functionality of the blade,which is produced mainly for real fighting in a tough geography of mountains,dense forests and fierce sea,little soil suitable for farming,feodalism, piracy,bandits,enthnical fights and Turkish sytle vendetta (except the very funny style of the Black sea yataghan). Blade makers in other regions have adobted some characteristics like hilt style in time (but still with nuances like in your bichaq) , or makers of Trabzon area have migrated to other regions for better living,but the production purpose is more decorative and accessory.If need to summarize my opinion ,I guess they can have more exaggerated,a bit feminine or not terrorizing like the ones from Trabzon but looking reasonless? curvatures,sometimes more decoareted,nielloed silver pieces,corals etc..Just feelings.
I post the pictures of similar Trabzon arms I have accumulated in the last few months.Meanwhile just message me whenever you wish to sell your Trabzon short sword

Valjhun · 27th May 2006, 04:05 PM

Impressive.

My sword is no for sale thou

Let me know if you are selling one of your babys

I'd like to hear your opinion about thatone below. Turkish/Trabzon?

26th January 2006, 05:40 PM	#1
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Trabzon short swords My latest acquisitions, a pair of Eastern Black sea region of Turkey-Trabzon short swords with horn hilts. In fact I bought them from different shops but they look similar almost enough to accept as a pair. One is dated 1896 gregorien and its Hijri equivalent, and the other is dated only hijri, and there are just 10 years between their dates. Attached Images

27th January 2006, 08:51 AM	#3
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Nice finds Erlikhan! I also bought one, but still haven't recived it yet: Attached Images

5th February 2006, 11:37 AM	#5
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Yes, I've bought it fropm ebay, still haven't recived it yet. And here is the "matching" dagger: Attached Images

5th February 2006, 09:49 PM	#8
manicdj Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 18	Trabzon sh. swds. What I see makes my green with envy, nice, gad I got to see them pics.

9th March 2006, 06:32 PM	#9
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	TRABZONMANIA! Tattarattataraaaaa! And after a month of waiting, hoping, ecc I'm proud to present my Black sea group! Here they are, like the gollum said: "my precious, my pride!" The small one was a bitch, it took over a month toi get it from Bulgaria Whatever, I'm the happiest forumite today! Attached Images Last edited by Valjhun; 9th March 2006 at 07:07 PM.

27th January 2006, 08:11 AM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,624	Thanks for posting those. I love it every time I see something new and really cool in this forum. How long are they?

1st February 2006, 08:57 AM	#4
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	The blades are around 45 cms. Valjhun, yours is very nice too. Bought it from ebay?

5th February 2006, 11:59 AM	#6
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	is the world really that small or just the community of edged weapon collectors?? I am the seller of this dagger. It is sent to your ebay registered adress in Slovenia early this week, you must receive it in a few days regards

5th February 2006, 02:38 PM	#7
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Nice! I gues that the world is getting smaller from day to day, nowadays... I find surprising the fact that the world collectiong community is not that big as one would expect. I'm really looking forward to recive that dagger, Thanks again!

11th March 2006, 05:35 PM	#10
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	I have another two questions for the short sword. Firs is regarding the date. Looking at Tirri's it should be 12?1 A.H. How do you translate the symbol <? The second question is about the small dagger. The seller said in the description that it is from Bursa province, but to me the style looks almost the same as the other one from Trabzon... Thanks!

9th April 2006, 10:38 PM	#11
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	I'm pushing thatone up, 'cos I think it was overlooked and that someone surly knows the answer to my questions...

13th May 2006, 11:49 AM	#12
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Valjhun,the answer of your question can not be supported with exact criteria,but feelings which depend much on functionality,esthetics and the number of samples seen from different regions in past.Trabzon arms are more functional, Turko-Caucassian influenced hilts,curvatures,fullers everything are appropriate to and come after the functionality of the blade,which is produced mainly for real fighting in a tough geography of mountains,dense forests and fierce sea,little soil suitable for farming,feodalism, piracy,bandits,enthnical fights and Turkish sytle vendetta (except the very funny style of the Black sea yataghan). Blade makers in other regions have adobted some characteristics like hilt style in time (but still with nuances like in your bichaq) , or makers of Trabzon area have migrated to other regions for better living,but the production purpose is more decorative and accessory.If need to summarize my opinion ,I guess they can have more exaggerated,a bit feminine or not terrorizing like the ones from Trabzon but looking reasonless? curvatures,sometimes more decoareted,nielloed silver pieces,corals etc..Just feelings. I post the pictures of similar Trabzon arms I have accumulated in the last few months.Meanwhile just message me whenever you wish to sell your Trabzon short sword Attached Images Last edited by erlikhan; 13th May 2006 at 01:13 PM.

27th May 2006, 04:05 PM	#13
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	Impressive. My sword is no for sale thou Let me know if you are selling one of your babys I'd like to hear your opinion about thatone below. Turkish/Trabzon? Attached Images