Shaolin Tai Chi Jian not Wudang, Wu Jian & Wen Jian, Taoist, Antique, Battle ready

[JoeCanada42]

A 60-year-old Chinese farmer who found an old sword blade digging in the ground used it as a kitchen knife for several years before realizing its value and historical importance. He may have disallowed efforts to determine its exact age by polishing and sharpening it.

see photo


"Don't despair though, it is all a learning curve and plan to put some decent money aside to secure a genuine old one"

far more likely if I am to acquire another! quality genuine old one, it will be cheap, because its will be from a seller who was misinformed

I recently visited swords and antique weapons .com, they got a Mandau but I think mine is nicer and more genuine. more unique by many means.
I looked at the Jian's that have been selling over there, again none that I would ever trade for mine. infact I even saw presentation Jian swords sold over there...

I think a true treasure will never be sold at a retail dealer, the best treasure are found among the hoi polloi , made easier with ebay...

[JoeCanada42]

I have acquired many unbelievably hard to find even impossible to believe things , more so of late, for cheap ,way below retail, not from dealers or from pros, in fact u just cant find such treasure at dealers because good stuff moves up the chain with ease not put on market.

we all know old blades get remounted, some many times, how can any one say what is a reproduction without handling the blade or examining it, unless you have a stake in the matter , and want to influence public perception perhaps? in which case such biased comments I hope people take with caution..

always everything with a grain of salt, maybe dont trust auctions?, where good prices can be had. but can you trust dealers?

[Gavin Nugent]

If it quacks like a duck, it is usually a duck...

I wish you well with your "Pro" EBay "treasure" gathering, good things still turn up on occasion.

With thanks

Gavin

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by JoeCanada42

A 60-year-old Chinese farmer who found an old sword blade digging in the ground used it as a kitchen knife for several years before realizing its value and historical importance. He may have disallowed efforts to determine its exact age by polishing and sharpening it.

A typical late qing marking, nothing remarkable there.

Here are a few titles you could dig in to if you have interest in the types...

One of these titles in particular will show you the sword at least one of the above was copied from.

I've never really owned many to be fair.....

[JoeCanada42]

fair enough ,
thanks

I feel the ducks I buy are geese and they lay golden eggs

[JoeCanada42]

took a new photo and found another interesting one to compare,
with an almost completely degenerated depiction of a dragon?

[JoeCanada42]

closer up

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by JoeCanada42

I feel the ducks I buy are geese and they lay golden eggs

Joe, believe Gav or not, it's your choice. And for sure you can purchase treasures by epray but others also search there but to find the treasures you have to know your stuff.
I have been collecting now over twenty years and know a little bit about the area I collect but even after all the years and the little knowledge I've gathered I can get fooled.
Gav is a dealer, he knows his stuff well enough, you don't need to be skeptical.
Be happy that he told you the truth, there are other people here like Peter Decker for example, ask him by pm, I am sure that he will tell you the same.
Some others may don't join in because they are only smiling.
Sorry for my open words, it's not personal meant.

Regards,
Detlef

[werecow]

Originally Posted by Sajen

I have been collecting now over twenty years and know a little bit about the area I collect but even after all the years and the little knowledge I've gathered I can get fooled.

I've only been collecting a couple of years and my "oops box", as someone here once described it, has filled up depressingly quickly. (but also )

[JoeCanada42]

found an old photo the " shaolin " handle style
from a youtube video , it talks about the different Jian fittings

also a photo of the ways I feel it is held, the guard functions as a stopper and part of the grip on certain moves

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Joe, believe Gav or not, it's your choice. And for sure you can purchase treasures by epray but others also search there but to find the treasures you have to know your stuff.
I have been collecting now over twenty years and know a little bit about the area I collect but even after all the years and the little knowledge I've gathered I can get fooled.
Gav is a dealer, he knows his stuff well enough, you don't need to be skeptical.
Be happy that he told you the truth, there are other people here like Peter Decker for example, ask him by pm, I am sure that he will tell you the same.
Some others may don't join in because they are only smiling.
Sorry for my open words, it's not personal meant.

Regards,
Detlef

Thank you Detlef, I appreciate your comments. It is a place of learning and we all learn from each post.

My words and insights about this sword may have been dry but were never intended to offend, but being affronted in the manner that was forthcoming, it was clear there is not going to be any change to belief about these swords.

I've no dog in this fight, to what end... but the good news is, the "good stuff" can be left for others.

To quote a resident expert of Chinese arms, a member within these pages, "it is about as kosher as a ham sandwich" ... afterall, it was he who helped me and a client out with a better presented modern Jian many years ago... for which a full refund was received...

Two words, Shaver Cool.....

Gav

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

Thank you Detlef, I appreciate your comments. It is a place of learning and we all learn from each post.

My words and insights about this sword may have been dry but were never intended to offend, but being affronted in the manner that was forthcoming, it was clear there is not going to be any change to belief about these swords.

I've no dog in this fight, to what end... but the good news is, the "good stuff" can be left for others.

To quote a resident expert of Chinese arms, a member within these pages, "it is about as kosher as a ham sandwich" ... afterall, it was he who helped me and a client out with a better presented modern Jian many years ago... for which a full refund was received...

Two words, Shaver Cool.....

Gav

Hi Gav,

Nothing to thank! We both commented with good intent, I personally know next to nothing about jians but have handled some of these recently made swords and was able to see some real ones, some in person and a few with good pictures. You will have handled much more and will have had a good 'teacher'. Both we want to be helpful, but some people seems not willing to learn, I ask myself only why such people ask for??
I just don't want to waste my time anymore with a man who gets personal.

Best regards,
Detlef

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by JoeCanada42

seems you are in the wrong, you are the ones who got personal.....

Please show me where I got personal!!

Originally Posted by JoeCanada42

you are here to influence the market, and to advertise your business, your opinion is biased, and shouldn't be allowed, you are not furthering any study or discussion you are just taking advantage (or looking out for your buddy Saj?)

I am not interested to influence the market, first I am not really interested in jians, secondly I am myself a collector, not a dealer.

Originally Posted by JoeCanada42

I guess an honest person is more apt to recognize an honest seller and an honest antique(even if its looking and quacking like a duck). this is why i have the luck, and you search every day.

Lucky you! Get happy with your "antiques"!

BTW, this will be the last time that I correspond with you, better I speak with my cats!

[kai]

Joe,

Originally Posted by JoeCanada42

do u shave arms? girly.. or are u born naturally girly?
this is what mans arms look like, a sign of IQ

Please avoid stereotypes. Remember, this forum is not only for white old men and we do have female members (more would be great as well as adding even more diversity in general).

Originally Posted by JoeCanada42

you didn't have to get personal

Nobody was getting personal on you here: Every community has its inside jokes and anecdotes - the classic threads should be mandatory reading for new forumites: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3699

Gav was referring to the "Shaver Kool" episode:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160422...ML/000140.html

It also does help to utilize the search function which brings up enough hits for "Shaver Cool" to avoid any misinterpretations...

Regards,
Kai

[JoeCanada42]

being affronted in the manner that was forthcoming it was much easier to assume it was a double entendre.