Keris dagger

cookyboy1 · 4th July 2017, 11:38 PM

Hi everyone.ime new to this forum so forgive me if i mess up.I just recently brought a keris dagger from an antique shop simply because i liked it.The seller,s ticket said it was Malaysian and said it was a keris but it hadn't got a date on it. So if possible could some help on identification and age would be appreciated. The blade did pertrude out the end of the scabbard so right or wrong i lightly glued a piece of hard wood on the end but it can be removed if i need to.

mariusgmioc · 5th July 2017, 08:34 AM

Welcome to the forum!

I do not know much about krisses, but I think yours has the hilt in the wrong position as it should be rotated 180 degrees.

The blade appears to be quite old but the photos might be misleadig.

Just wait a little more and I am sure you will get many more comments.

Jean · 5th July 2017, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cookyboy1

The blade did protrude out the end of the scabbard so right or wrong i lightly glued a piece of hard wood on the end but it can be removed if i need to.

(Post deleted due to my misunderstanding)

Rick · 5th July 2017, 04:55 PM

We often see Bugis type handles oriented in this direction whether it be correct or not.

As far as the Buntut is concerned I think our new member might well correct that with further information gleaned from our more experienced members here.

I'll take a wild guess that the blade is Javanese.

Welcome to our little corner of the web.

David · 5th July 2017, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cookyboy1

The blade did pertrude out the end of the scabbard so right or wrong i lightly glued a piece of hard wood on the end but it can be removed if i need to.

It would appear that your sheath was missing the buntut, or end piece that would have finished off the stem of the sheath. These pieces are often formed form a piece if ivory or horn, but the wood you used does not detract form the piece and even looks a little bit like ivory in these photos due to the lighter color. I don't think this does any damage to the ensemble, especially if it can be removed and replaced with something more appropriate in the future. For now i wouldn't worry about it.
Theis keris does seem to have some age to it, though you are not likely to get a specific date. 19th century might be a good start. It does look like the blade could be Javanese though the dress is a Malay form. Javanese blades were often traded widely across Indonesia so this is not surprising.
As to the hilt orientation, I concur with Rick that keris from these regions are often presented with the hilt facing in this direction. I do find this position uncomfortable for holding the blade in use, but i have often seen such keris with the blade at rest in the sheath like this. Often hilts are not fixed in position and can be adjusted when needed.

Rick · 5th July 2017, 05:28 PM

This piece is missing one part which would be a cup selut between handle and blade. Usually these are brass or silver.

cookyboy1 · 5th July 2017, 08:23 PM

Thanks for all the information all you have given me .it seems i have a lot to learn i did not realise that a blade had so many different names for different parts of the blade and scabbard.i will do more reading on keris and try to learn all the terminology that goes with these blades .thanks again..

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Originally Posted by David

It would appear that your sheath was missing the buntut, or end piece that would have finished off the stem of the sheath. These pieces are often formed form a piece if ivory or horn, but the wood you used does not detract form the piece and even looks a little bit like ivory in these photos due to the lighter color. I don't think this does any damage to the ensemble, especially if it can be removed and replaced with something more appropriate in the future. For now i wouldn't worry about it.
Theis keris does seem to have some age to it, though you are not likely to get a specific date. 19th century might be a good start. It does look like the blade could be Javanese though the dress is a Malay form. Javanese blades were often traded widely across Indonesia so this is not surprising.
As to the hilt orientation, I concur with Rick that keris from these regions are often presented with the hilt facing in this direction. I do find this position uncomfortable for holding the blade in use, but i have often seen such keris with the blade at rest in the sheath like this. Often hilts are not fixed in position and can be adjusted when needed.

Rick · 5th July 2017, 08:44 PM

You'll find a lot of information going through the archives of this forum.
An 11 wave keris if I'm not mistaken.

cookyboy1 · 7th July 2017, 11:47 PM

Has the amount of waves have any significance to the blade as ive seen straight keris and some with les and more waves.also can you buy these end caps so as i could have a complete keris. Its funny because i sure this keris in my local antique shop for quitea few weeks then i noticed another keris in cabinet it had less waves and had a metal scabbard but the blade was quite loose when it was in place so i had a lookat this one and couldn't afford the 2 so i decided on this one.The more i handle it the more i love this dagger,will be looking for more in the future.

Rick · 9th July 2017, 12:26 AM

You could always start here.

http://www.kerisattosanaji.com/INTERPRETATIONPAGE1.html

4th July 2017, 11:38 PM	#1
cookyboy1 Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 7	Keris dagger Hi everyone.ime new to this forum so forgive me if i mess up.I just recently brought a keris dagger from an antique shop simply because i liked it.The seller,s ticket said it was Malaysian and said it was a keris but it hadn't got a date on it. So if possible could some help on identification and age would be appreciated. The blade did pertrude out the end of the scabbard so right or wrong i lightly glued a piece of hard wood on the end but it can be removed if i need to. Attached Images

7th July 2017, 11:47 PM	#9
cookyboy1 Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 7	Keris Has the amount of waves have any significance to the blade as ive seen straight keris and some with les and more waves.also can you buy these end caps so as i could have a complete keris. Its funny because i sure this keris in my local antique shop for quitea few weeks then i noticed another keris in cabinet it had less waves and had a metal scabbard but the blade was quite loose when it was in place so i had a lookat this one and couldn't afford the 2 so i decided on this one.The more i handle it the more i love this dagger,will be looking for more in the future.

9th July 2017, 12:26 AM	#10
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	About Waves You could always start here. http://www.kerisattosanaji.com/INTERPRETATIONPAGE1.html

5th July 2017, 08:34 AM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Welcome to the forum! I do not know much about krisses, but I think yours has the hilt in the wrong position as it should be rotated 180 degrees. The blade appears to be quite old but the photos might be misleadig. Just wait a little more and I am sure you will get many more comments.

5th July 2017, 04:55 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	We often see Bugis type handles oriented in this direction whether it be correct or not. As far as the Buntut is concerned I think our new member might well correct that with further information gleaned from our more experienced members here. I'll take a wild guess that the blade is Javanese. Welcome to our little corner of the web.

5th July 2017, 05:28 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	This piece is missing one part which would be a cup selut between handle and blade. Usually these are brass or silver.

5th July 2017, 08:44 PM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	You'll find a lot of information going through the archives of this forum. An 11 wave keris if I'm not mistaken.