A Problem when searching older threads...

katana · 14th October 2006, 12:41 AM

Hi, everyone.....I've noticed repeatedly the problem (and frustration) of missing images from older threads.......
The problem is mainly noticeable when threads refer to an eBay auction....often only a link is provided.
The trouble is... after 90 days the listing is removed completely (by eBay).
The other problem is the fact that a lot of people have their eBay auction pictures held on a photo-hosting site....fine when the auction is running...but often the images are removed when its finished. In this case the eBay link still shows the description etc. (for 90 days)...but no pictures.
I think it would useful, for our ethnographic community, that pictures are copied and downloaded onto the thread, so they are permanent. If copy right is an issue......surely we could ask permission from the seller.

What do you think........

wolviex · 14th October 2006, 09:02 AM

The idea is good until it's fine to post someone else's pictures without his agreement.

A good solution could be saving interesting auctions as html on your local hard disc. Using IE just go to menu --> 'file' and choose 'save as..". Later you can burn CD and never worry about missing pictures

Spunjer · 14th October 2006, 06:38 PM

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I think it would useful, for our ethnographic community, that pictures are copied and downloaded onto the thread, so they are permanent. If copy right is an issue......surely we could ask permission from the seller.

as far as i'm concern, pics posted on the world wide web is public domain. i really don't understand the reason on why some people get teed off whenever a picture they posted on the 'net get 'copied' and posted on a different website. when that pic is posted, he's showing it to the world. i reckon once you posted it, it's public domain. my two centimos...

Rick · 14th October 2006, 09:54 PM

I believe it's a matter of what is called 'fair use' for educational purposes .

Mark is our expert in this field of law.

Spunjer · 15th October 2006, 09:05 PM

my bad, rick. pics that are posted for public domain use, i.e. playstation2 from sony, then those are legal if you wanna copy -n- paste. but yeah, you're right, private photos that are posted are within 'fair use' practice. i still think that whenever i post something in the internet, i'm posting for the world to see, with the knowledge that it's open season if someone wants to copy and paste it for their personal use. if i'm somehow iffy about something, maybe a watermark on the pics will lessen the chance of someone using it.

katana, you do have a valid point tho. i've thought about your suggestion before and it just makes good sense.

Rick · 15th October 2006, 10:37 PM

No , not your bad Ron, I was saying that I think we're on the same page; if an image is posted on the 'net then it may be reused for educational purposes; OTOH if you were to use it in a commercial sense that is forbidden .

Since this place is free and non-profit I 'think' but I'm not 'sure' (where is Mark); that this is okay .

Maybe David knows something about this being a pro photog.; paging David !!

katana · 16th October 2006, 01:59 AM

As far as I know you are right, generally speaking copy of pictures in the 'public domain' are OK to copy ...as long as they are not used in a commercial sense. But this is probably pysdo-law.......afterall if I was a legitimate lawyer.....I would spend about 2 hours a week working....charge astronomical amounts of money......spend huge amounts of time on 'Ethnographics' and spend all my wealth on truck loads of interesting weapons........Ah ....now... wheres my 'Dummies guide to Law'

Please note....the views expressed by the aforesaid mentioned 'katana' does not represent the views or beliefs of the website named as 'Ethnographic Arms and Armour', Therefore the aforesaid website will not be deemed responsible for the statements solicited by the individual known as 'katana'........etc ...etc....etc....

Only joking....Solicitors, Lawyers , Briefs , Judges, Attornies etc that read this site are OK by me.....

14th October 2006, 12:41 AM	#1
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	A Problem when searching older threads... Hi, everyone.....I've noticed repeatedly the problem (and frustration) of missing images from older threads....... The problem is mainly noticeable when threads refer to an eBay auction....often only a link is provided. The trouble is... after 90 days the listing is removed completely (by eBay). The other problem is the fact that a lot of people have their eBay auction pictures held on a photo-hosting site....fine when the auction is running...but often the images are removed when its finished. In this case the eBay link still shows the description etc. (for 90 days)...but no pictures. I think it would useful, for our ethnographic community, that pictures are copied and downloaded onto the thread, so they are permanent. If copy right is an issue......surely we could ask permission from the seller. What do you think........

14th October 2006, 09:02 AM	#2
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	The idea is good until it's fine to post someone else's pictures without his agreement. A good solution could be saving interesting auctions as html on your local hard disc. Using IE just go to menu --> 'file' and choose 'save as..". Later you can burn CD and never worry about missing pictures

14th October 2006, 09:54 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	I believe it's a matter of what is called 'fair use' for educational purposes . Mark is our expert in this field of law.

15th October 2006, 09:05 PM	#5
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	my bad, rick. pics that are posted for public domain use, i.e. playstation2 from sony, then those are legal if you wanna copy -n- paste. but yeah, you're right, private photos that are posted are within 'fair use' practice. i still think that whenever i post something in the internet, i'm posting for the world to see, with the knowledge that it's open season if someone wants to copy and paste it for their personal use. if i'm somehow iffy about something, maybe a watermark on the pics will lessen the chance of someone using it. katana, you do have a valid point tho. i've thought about your suggestion before and it just makes good sense.

15th October 2006, 10:37 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	No , not your bad Ron, I was saying that I think we're on the same page; if an image is posted on the 'net then it may be reused for educational purposes; OTOH if you were to use it in a commercial sense that is forbidden . Since this place is free and non-profit I 'think' but I'm not 'sure' (where is Mark); that this is okay . Maybe David knows something about this being a pro photog.; paging David !!

16th October 2006, 01:59 AM	#7
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	As far as I know you are right, generally speaking copy of pictures in the 'public domain' are OK to copy ...as long as they are not used in a commercial sense. But this is probably pysdo-law.......afterall if I was a legitimate lawyer.....I would spend about 2 hours a week working....charge astronomical amounts of money......spend huge amounts of time on 'Ethnographics' and spend all my wealth on truck loads of interesting weapons........Ah ....now... wheres my 'Dummies guide to Law' Please note....the views expressed by the aforesaid mentioned 'katana' does not represent the views or beliefs of the website named as 'Ethnographic Arms and Armour', Therefore the aforesaid website will not be deemed responsible for the statements solicited by the individual known as 'katana'........etc ...etc....etc.... Only joking....Solicitors, Lawyers , Briefs , Judges, Attornies etc that read this site are OK by me.....