Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 24th March 2007, 03:46 PM   #1
VVV
Member
 
VVV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 1,637
Default Parang, probably from South Borneo

Here is an unusual parang that I first suspected was the variation of the Sumba Kabeala that also could be found on Sulawesi.
But after discussing the motifs and style of it with Arjan we think that it probably is from the Banjarmasin area.
Any other feedback on this undocumented parang?

Michael
Attached Images
    
VVV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th March 2007, 05:12 PM   #2
RhysMichael
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Virginia
Posts: 520
Default

A very nice piece. I have been told these hilts are stylized parrots heads do you know if this is true ?
RhysMichael is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th March 2007, 05:34 PM   #3
VVV
Member
 
VVV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 1,637
Default

Thanks,

I have heard so too. But regarding the Sumatran versions.

Michael
VVV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th March 2007, 07:20 PM   #4
Dajak
Member
 
Dajak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 951
Default

Hi this is from South borneo area not from the dajaks

Ben
Dajak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25th March 2007, 12:26 AM   #5
VVV
Member
 
VVV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 1,637
Default

Hi Ben,

Yes, it's a Malay sword.

Michael
VVV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th August 2007, 12:30 AM   #6
VVV
Member
 
VVV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 1,637
Default

Here is another one that I believe come from the same place.
According to the article by Schmeltz from 1892 (the article that Flavio made available to us all - thanks!!!) those parang originates from SE Kalimantan in the old state of Pegatan.
He lists a resembling one (7a and b) as a Parang Kerekupang (whatever that means?).
Another name for a resembling SE Borneo parang is (Pisau) Kamudi Singkir (= Diagonally steer knife??? ).
See also Leiden 761-22, 781-85 and 761-27 as a reference.

Michael
Attached Images
      
VVV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th August 2007, 12:34 AM   #7
Dajak
Member
 
Dajak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 951
Default

Hi I found information in an museum that these are from celebes

Ben
Dajak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th August 2007, 12:41 AM   #8
VVV
Member
 
VVV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 1,637
Default

Hi Ben,

It's correct that a variation of these parang are found in Sulawesi too - see f.i. the pictures from Grubauer, Unter Kopfjägern in Central-Celebes, below (kopfjägern = headhunters in German).
But if you look close, like I know you always do , it's not the same parang. Even if they look similar from a distance.

Michael
Attached Images
  

Last edited by VVV; 24th August 2007 at 01:01 AM. Reason: Added pictures from Grubauer as well as title of the book
VVV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th August 2007, 05:05 AM   #9
Ian
Vikingsword Staff
 
Ian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Aussie Bush
Posts: 4,200
Default

Michael:

I'm interested in the emblem seen on the sheath of your first example. Do you know what the two four-leafed flowers might be called. There is a similar emblem on some Visayan sword sheaths from the Philippines.

Ian.
Ian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th August 2007, 08:33 AM   #10
Dajak
Member
 
Dajak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 951
Default

Hi Michael it is more the scabbard and the pamor blade not much seen in Borneo

Ben
Dajak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th August 2007, 09:05 AM   #11
VVV
Member
 
VVV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 1,637
Default

Hi Ben,

I agree that this kind of scabbard and pamor blade isn't what you usually see in Borneo. That's why I find these SE Borneo-Malay parang interesting as exceptions.

I assume you are still travelling, and didn't bring your own computer, so you can't check the references I have given above?
Here is the Parang from Schmeltz I referred to before.
The Leiden collection database is found on http://www.rmv.nl/

Michael
Attached Images
 
VVV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24th August 2007, 09:23 AM   #12
VVV
Member
 
VVV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 1,637
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian
Michael:

I'm interested in the emblem seen on the sheath of your first example. Do you know what the two four-leafed flowers might be called. There is a similar emblem on some Visayan sword sheaths from the Philippines.

Ian.
Ian,

I don't have a local Malay name for it (probably Bunga something? ).
In Juynboll's catalogue of the Leiden Borneo collection (German version) he just calls it a "rosette".
So does van der Hoop, too, in Indonesian Ornamental Design on a resembling motif from W Java.

Michael
Attached Images
 
VVV is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:24 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.