Pesh Kabz ?.....Karud ?......comments information please

katana · 12th December 2006, 08:15 PM

Just acquired this ......but is it a Pesh Kabz or Karud......which ever it is it is my first....unfortunately no scabbard. I am waiting for delivery but seller's description is below. Please any info or comments...age?....gratefully received.

Overall length 10ins not counting extension of tang.Blade length5 5/8ins and 1 1/4
at the widest.Blade decorated on both sides of the forte.the ferrule seems to be brass or nickel. the grips are 2 horn slabs held to the tang by 2 rivets.Small piece of horn split off on one side of pommel.

Jens Nordlunde · 12th December 2006, 10:38 PM

Hi Katana,

You have a pesh kabz – congratulation, a pity the scabbard is missing, but it is often so. Is the hilt made of horn?

katana · 12th December 2006, 11:03 PM

Hi Jens,
the seller states that it is horn....he seems knowledgeable so I've no reason to doubt him. Would you have any suggestions as to age or the region this knife originated ?

ariel · 13th December 2006, 02:26 AM

I think it is of a recent manufacture: the blade is reworked from some military weapon and the "dots" at the ricasso look new. They remind me of a newly-minted Kukris with the "Made in India" markings.
Some time ago we had this discussion already (twice, as a matter of fact) and I made a royal ass of myself
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...oora+pesh+kabz
I learned my lesson: it is a Choora, not a Karud and not a Pesh Kabz.
My late dog needed 3 repetitions to learn something new; I managed to require only two. Ain't evolution grand?

Emanuel · 13th December 2006, 03:40 AM

Hi David,

I've yet to get my hands on one of these...the hilt has a greenigh hue, so I'd think it's horn. Does the blade have a massive fuller or is it just an artefact of the lighting...if it's a fuller, Ariel might be right that it's cut from some other blade.

Ariel, thanks for the link, it's very helpful. I've see some choora with extremely small blades and just tiny overall, fragile-looking...would these be the recent variety?

Emanuel

Valjhun · 13th December 2006, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

I think it is of a recent manufacture: the blade is reworked from some military weapon and the "dots" at the ricasso look new. They remind me of a newly-minted Kukris with the "Made in India" markings.
Some time ago we had this discussion already (twice, as a matter of fact) and I made a royal ass of myself
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...oora+pesh+kabz
I learned my lesson: it is a Choora, not a Karud and not a Pesh Kabz.
My late dog needed 3 repetitions to learn something new; I managed to require only two. Ain't evolution grand?

I fully agree and I'm adding my 0,00000000002 euros: Be carefull thoose rivets appears only on new pieces and they are flooding ebay.

katana · 10th February 2007, 02:32 PM

The knife arrived. It has a deep fuller either side, is incredibly sharp and the blade has 'quality' and some age. The spine is 8mm at the handle and distally tapers. The fittings are a little 'cruder' than a high end example, but is solid. The horn handle has some chipping and it seems to have been used....I do not think this is 'tourist'. I think that Ariel is right the blade seems to be a reworked piece....it seems older than the 'fittings'. A light 'honing' would make this 'scapel' sharp

......until I get a sheath.....I'm leaving it 'as is'

ward · 10th February 2007, 04:34 PM

modern probaly out of pakistan

katana · 10th February 2007, 06:26 PM

Thanks Ward, I agree modern/vintage in manufacture....but the blade definately seems older

12th December 2006, 08:15 PM	#1
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Pesh Kabz ?.....Karud ?......comments information please Just acquired this ......but is it a Pesh Kabz or Karud......which ever it is it is my first....unfortunately no scabbard. I am waiting for delivery but seller's description is below. Please any info or comments...age?....gratefully received. Overall length 10ins not counting extension of tang.Blade length5 5/8ins and 1 1/4 at the widest.Blade decorated on both sides of the forte.the ferrule seems to be brass or nickel. the grips are 2 horn slabs held to the tang by 2 rivets.Small piece of horn split off on one side of pommel. Attached Images

10th February 2007, 02:32 PM	#7
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	The knife arrived. It has a deep fuller either side, is incredibly sharp and the blade has 'quality' and some age. The spine is 8mm at the handle and distally tapers. The fittings are a little 'cruder' than a high end example, but is solid. The horn handle has some chipping and it seems to have been used....I do not think this is 'tourist'. I think that Ariel is right the blade seems to be a reworked piece....it seems older than the 'fittings'. A light 'honing' would make this 'scapel' sharp ......until I get a sheath.....I'm leaving it 'as is' Attached Images

12th December 2006, 10:38 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Katana, You have a pesh kabz – congratulation, a pity the scabbard is missing, but it is often so. Is the hilt made of horn?

12th December 2006, 11:03 PM	#3
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Hi Jens, the seller states that it is horn....he seems knowledgeable so I've no reason to doubt him. Would you have any suggestions as to age or the region this knife originated ?

13th December 2006, 02:26 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I think it is of a recent manufacture: the blade is reworked from some military weapon and the "dots" at the ricasso look new. They remind me of a newly-minted Kukris with the "Made in India" markings. Some time ago we had this discussion already (twice, as a matter of fact) and I made a royal ass of myself http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...oora+pesh+kabz I learned my lesson: it is a Choora, not a Karud and not a Pesh Kabz. My late dog needed 3 repetitions to learn something new; I managed to require only two. Ain't evolution grand?

13th December 2006, 03:40 AM	#5
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Hi David, I've yet to get my hands on one of these...the hilt has a greenigh hue, so I'd think it's horn. Does the blade have a massive fuller or is it just an artefact of the lighting...if it's a fuller, Ariel might be right that it's cut from some other blade. Ariel, thanks for the link, it's very helpful. I've see some choora with extremely small blades and just tiny overall, fragile-looking...would these be the recent variety? Emanuel

10th February 2007, 04:34 PM	#8
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	modern probaly out of pakistan

10th February 2007, 06:26 PM	#9
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Thanks Ward, I agree modern/vintage in manufacture....but the blade definately seems older