Worth It ?

Rick · 5th March 2008, 11:21 PM

Comments ?

eBay # 380000693450

Lew · 5th March 2008, 11:27 PM

Obviously a post WW2 sword with pointy luks a fancy tourist piece I think. Not worth the money to me even if the hilt is ivory.

Lew

Gavin Nugent · 5th March 2008, 11:28 PM

I think so, it is a beautiful item, not my avenue of collecting but pound for pound I would pay that sort of money for something in the line of blades I collect if it was that stylish.

regards

Gavin

Rick · 5th March 2008, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

Obviously a post WW2 sword with pointy luks a fancy tourist piece I think. Not worth the money to me even if the hilt is ivory.

Lew

Older dress on a '50's era blade perhaps Lew ?
BTW, I tend to agree with you, the asang asang is not even attached .

I miss the eBay of the 90's .

Bill M · 5th March 2008, 11:40 PM

While I like the seller. Know him personally. Lives near me. I would not bid on this sword. The blade is not so good. Pointy luks. The hilt may be older, but still not so good either.

He often has some good pieces.

Good size chunk of ivory, but not that well carved. If cheap enough -- it wasn't -- I might have been interested in the ivory and find someone like Jose A. to clean it up and dye it old.

I am looking for kris handles and pommels. Have a few naked blades.

I'd toss the rest.

Gavin Nugent · 5th March 2008, 11:48 PM

3 to 1, I lose, though I am enjoying learning about items out of my interests.

Gav

Rick · 5th March 2008, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebooter

3 to 1, I lose, though I am enjoying learning about items out of my interests.

Gav

No one loses Gavin .

As you say it's not your field of interest and at first glance it would look pretty nice to the casual viewer .

Bill M · 6th March 2008, 12:04 AM

Gav,

I have a few pieces in transit that you may like to compare. Sending you a email.

VANDOO · 6th March 2008, 06:09 AM

WHAT!!! YOU ARE NOT CRAZY ABOUT THIS

IT WENT BELOW THE DOE-JOUNES AVERAGE VALUE FOR BUZZ WORDS, THOSE WORDS IF PROPERLY USED ARE WORTH $100.00 EACH. #1 OLD (BETTER WOULD BE VERY OLD OR ANTIQUE)
#2. MORO (FAMOUS WARRIORS) #3 DATU (ON A PAR WITH CHIEF, KING OR SULTAN,ECT) #4 IVORY,
#5 SILVER, #6 GOLD SO ITS A $600.00 SWORD SOLD FOR A SAVINGS OF $40.00

IF USED THE BUZZ PHRASE "MUSEUM QUALITY " WOULD HAVE ADDED ANOTHER $200.00

THESE BUZZ WORDS DO ACTUALLY HELP SELL AND GET A HIGHER PRICE AND ARE OFTEN USED ON OBJECTS TO WHICH THEY DO NOT APPLY. HOW MANY CLUBS, AXES,SHIELDS AND SPEARS HAVE I SEEN REFERED TO AS ZULU THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ZULU'S BUT IT NO DOUBT ADDED $$ TO THE SALE.
THIS ITEM WAS MORE OR LESS ACCURATE AS IT WAS OLD BUT COMPARED TO WHAT? IT HAD IVORY BUT SO MUCH MORE COULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITH IT, MORO YEP!,PERHAPS IT BELONGED TO A DATU?? APPEARS TO BE SILVER, SOLID OR PLATE?? GOLD LEAF IS PRESENT ON SOME OF THE BRASS FITTINGS. THE PICTURES WERE GOOD AND I DID LIKE THE DESIGN ON THE BLADE. ALL IN ALL IT WAS AN ATTRACTIVE SWORD AND THE SELLER GOT A GOOD PRICE FOR IT AND HOPEFULLY THE BUYER WILL BE HAPPY WITH IT.

BUT IT WAS MUCH MORE THAN I WOULD HAVE PAID FOR IT, BUT THEN I AM CONSIDERED TO BE VERY TIGHT WITH ME MONEY

David · 6th March 2008, 03:01 PM

Yep, someone got suckered by the lure of the ivory kakatau. Not only does this look like a post WWII blade, it is also pretty chewed up considering that it isn't really all that old. It is hard to say if this is a beast intentionally created to deceive (not necessarily by the seller), but it does give me that impression.

mross · 6th March 2008, 07:55 PM

I'm with the consensus on this. I also checked it out because it's Moro and the seller has a good rep. I do not think the handle belongs to the sword. The fit is all wrong. The handle it's self looks very well done. I've never been overly impressed with ivory. I'll take a nicely carved Bunti wood handle over most ivory any day. I was considering buying for the handle and finding something else to do with the rest. I have one or two blades that have no length because they have no handle!

kai · 6th March 2008, 09:06 PM

Well, I'm also not fond of this kris.

However, the blade has a separate gangya. I'd like to see the Sulu blade cleaned and etched properly but I'd hazard a guess that this isn't a tourist blade. The hilt and scabbard have likely been added later as suggested (Mindanao).

Regards,
Kai

Battara · 9th March 2008, 05:19 AM

Every bit of this puppy is recent. Even the hilt is recent. The is not the greatest compared to the older examples. I'm not too crazy about this,but if like new stuff.....

6th March 2008, 12:04 AM	#8
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Gav, I have a few pieces in transit that you may like to compare. Sending you a email. Last edited by Bill Marsh; 6th March 2008 at 03:33 PM.

5th March 2008, 11:21 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Worth It ? Comments ? eBay # 380000693450

5th March 2008, 11:27 PM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Obviously a post WW2 sword with pointy luks a fancy tourist piece I think. Not worth the money to me even if the hilt is ivory. Lew

5th March 2008, 11:28 PM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	I think so. I think so, it is a beautiful item, not my avenue of collecting but pound for pound I would pay that sort of money for something in the line of blades I collect if it was that stylish. regards Gavin

5th March 2008, 11:40 PM	#5
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	While I like the seller. Know him personally. Lives near me. I would not bid on this sword. The blade is not so good. Pointy luks. The hilt may be older, but still not so good either. He often has some good pieces. Good size chunk of ivory, but not that well carved. If cheap enough -- it wasn't -- I might have been interested in the ivory and find someone like Jose A. to clean it up and dye it old. I am looking for kris handles and pommels. Have a few naked blades. I'd toss the rest.

5th March 2008, 11:48 PM	#6
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	I lose 3 to 1, I lose, though I am enjoying learning about items out of my interests. Gav

6th March 2008, 06:09 AM	#9
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	WHAT!!! YOU ARE NOT CRAZY ABOUT THIS IT WENT BELOW THE DOE-JOUNES AVERAGE VALUE FOR BUZZ WORDS, THOSE WORDS IF PROPERLY USED ARE WORTH $100.00 EACH. #1 OLD (BETTER WOULD BE VERY OLD OR ANTIQUE) #2. MORO (FAMOUS WARRIORS) #3 DATU (ON A PAR WITH CHIEF, KING OR SULTAN,ECT) #4 IVORY, #5 SILVER, #6 GOLD SO ITS A $600.00 SWORD SOLD FOR A SAVINGS OF $40.00 IF USED THE BUZZ PHRASE "MUSEUM QUALITY " WOULD HAVE ADDED ANOTHER $200.00 THESE BUZZ WORDS DO ACTUALLY HELP SELL AND GET A HIGHER PRICE AND ARE OFTEN USED ON OBJECTS TO WHICH THEY DO NOT APPLY. HOW MANY CLUBS, AXES,SHIELDS AND SPEARS HAVE I SEEN REFERED TO AS ZULU THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ZULU'S BUT IT NO DOUBT ADDED $$ TO THE SALE. THIS ITEM WAS MORE OR LESS ACCURATE AS IT WAS OLD BUT COMPARED TO WHAT? IT HAD IVORY BUT SO MUCH MORE COULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITH IT, MORO YEP!,PERHAPS IT BELONGED TO A DATU?? APPEARS TO BE SILVER, SOLID OR PLATE?? GOLD LEAF IS PRESENT ON SOME OF THE BRASS FITTINGS. THE PICTURES WERE GOOD AND I DID LIKE THE DESIGN ON THE BLADE. ALL IN ALL IT WAS AN ATTRACTIVE SWORD AND THE SELLER GOT A GOOD PRICE FOR IT AND HOPEFULLY THE BUYER WILL BE HAPPY WITH IT. BUT IT WAS MUCH MORE THAN I WOULD HAVE PAID FOR IT, BUT THEN I AM CONSIDERED TO BE VERY TIGHT WITH ME MONEY

6th March 2008, 03:01 PM	#10
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,127	Yep, someone got suckered by the lure of the ivory kakatau. Not only does this look like a post WWII blade, it is also pretty chewed up considering that it isn't really all that old. It is hard to say if this is a beast intentionally created to deceive (not necessarily by the seller), but it does give me that impression.

6th March 2008, 07:55 PM	#11
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	I'm with the consensus on this. I also checked it out because it's Moro and the seller has a good rep. I do not think the handle belongs to the sword. The fit is all wrong. The handle it's self looks very well done. I've never been overly impressed with ivory. I'll take a nicely carved Bunti wood handle over most ivory any day. I was considering buying for the handle and finding something else to do with the rest. I have one or two blades that have no length because they have no handle!

6th March 2008, 09:06 PM	#12
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,254	Well, I'm also not fond of this kris. However, the blade has a separate gangya. I'd like to see the Sulu blade cleaned and etched properly but I'd hazard a guess that this isn't a tourist blade. The hilt and scabbard have likely been added later as suggested (Mindanao). Regards, Kai

9th March 2008, 05:19 AM	#13
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Every bit of this puppy is recent. Even the hilt is recent. The is not the greatest compared to the older examples. I'm not too crazy about this,but if like new stuff.....