You CAN bring a sword to a gunfight!

Bill M · 9th December 2006, 03:47 PM

I cannot find much info on the internet about this, but looks like it could be true.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/...144161,00.html

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=616661

Guess a cavalry-type weed cutting sword counts as an ethnographic weapon!

Well, Ariel started it with his executioner story.....

Rivkin · 9th December 2006, 05:32 PM

Interestingly enough, the executioner says that his sword is old Johar, i.e. made from wootz, and highly praises it for the ability to remain sharp over extended periods of time, something that I also heard many times from wootz makers.

Bill M · 9th December 2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivkin

Interestingly enough, the executioner says that his sword is old Johar, i.e. made from wootz, and highly praises it for the ability to remain sharp over extended periods of time, something that I also heard many times from wootz makers.

Well, I think that maybe you are in the wrong thread Rivkin.

I wonder what "wootz" means in Mexican? Maybe that was what he said when he swung his fantasy looking sword at the robber?

ariel · 9th December 2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivkin

Interestingly enough, the executioner says that his sword is old Johar, i.e. made from wootz, and highly praises it for the ability to remain sharp over extended periods of time, something that I also heard many times from wootz makers.

Also, the executioner refers to vertical cuts and horizontal cuts. That implies different positions of the "execut-ee"

Any idea why would it be?

ariel · 9th December 2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Well, I think that maybe you are in the wrong thread Rivkin.

I wonder what "wootz" means in Mexican? Maybe that was what he said when he swung his fantasy looking sword at the robber?

This may be the perfect summary for the "Quality of Wootz" thread. The winning weapon was a $9.95 stainless steel junk, but what counted was the courage and determination of the guy who confronted the armed robbers.
Wootz, schmootz.....

Bill M · 10th December 2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

This may be the perfect summary for the "Quality of Wootz" thread. The winning weapon was a $9.95 stainless steel junk, but what counted was the courage and determination of the guy who confronted the armed robbers.
Wootz, schmootz.....

Right Ariel,

It all comes down to "courage and determination."

And cojones!

In my book a guy who swings a sword at a guy to just beat him up --- and left him semi-conscious --- ranks a lot higher in my book than a guy with a great sword who executes and mutilates people who can't fight back.

Rivkin · 10th December 2006, 01:41 AM

I watched the clip with an executioner. His swords look like nickel-plated, I doubt they are really wootz. I think he may use Johar simply as synonymous to "good".
I do not know the details that well, but I think the amputations of hands (for stealing) are conducted from up to down, beheadings are conducted something like "from the shoulder" - up to down combined with right to left, basically you behead a semi-sitting person. I never seen an amputation of leg and arm, I think this is reserved for those who join kafir in fighting muslims, attack islam and so on, but there are most likely far more knowledgeble people on the subject. It is _rare_, and I do not know how it works.

Ian · 10th December 2006, 03:25 AM

Guys:

The "executioner" thread was closed for a reason. Let's not revisit that subject and have to close this one too.

Ian.

Jim McDougall · 10th December 2006, 09:22 PM

I must totally agree with Ian on this!
While it is obvious that the weapons we study have very sinister practical application, I know that personally I have distinct disdain for focus on the gore of actual use. Clearly at times we must work at understanding the dynamics of martial application and fencing etc. but graphic discussion of the end result seems distasteful.

I hope we can stay focused on the structural and decorative development of the weapons, which is the key focus of study here, in my opinion.

Respectfully,
Jim

9th December 2006, 03:47 PM	#1
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	You CAN bring a sword to a gunfight! I cannot find much info on the internet about this, but looks like it could be true. http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/...144161,00.html http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=616661 Guess a cavalry-type weed cutting sword counts as an ethnographic weapon! Well, Ariel started it with his executioner story.....

10th December 2006, 03:25 AM	#8
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,203	Moderator's note Guys: The "executioner" thread was closed for a reason. Let's not revisit that subject and have to close this one too. Ian.

9th December 2006, 05:32 PM	#2
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Interestingly enough, the executioner says that his sword is old Johar, i.e. made from wootz, and highly praises it for the ability to remain sharp over extended periods of time, something that I also heard many times from wootz makers.

10th December 2006, 01:41 AM	#7
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	I watched the clip with an executioner. His swords look like nickel-plated, I doubt they are really wootz. I think he may use Johar simply as synonymous to "good". I do not know the details that well, but I think the amputations of hands (for stealing) are conducted from up to down, beheadings are conducted something like "from the shoulder" - up to down combined with right to left, basically you behead a semi-sitting person. I never seen an amputation of leg and arm, I think this is reserved for those who join kafir in fighting muslims, attack islam and so on, but there are most likely far more knowledgeble people on the subject. It is _rare_, and I do not know how it works.

10th December 2006, 09:22 PM	#9
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,951	I must totally agree with Ian on this! While it is obvious that the weapons we study have very sinister practical application, I know that personally I have distinct disdain for focus on the gore of actual use. Clearly at times we must work at understanding the dynamics of martial application and fencing etc. but graphic discussion of the end result seems distasteful. I hope we can stay focused on the structural and decorative development of the weapons, which is the key focus of study here, in my opinion. Respectfully, Jim