Shill?

ariel · 25th October 2008, 05:28 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...1#ht_548wt_924

The only bidder bid against himself repeatedly and "won" the item.
Previous "sale" by the seller occured several years ago; since then the account was dormant.
I bet this was a prelude to a real scam.
Keep watching.

Robert · 25th October 2008, 05:43 AM

Very strange. How can you bid against yourself? I didn't know that was even possible.

Robert

David · 25th October 2008, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Very strange. How can you bid against yourself? I didn't know that was even possible.

There was a reserve on the blade and the bidder kept bidding until the reserve was met.
I am not convinced of any great conspiracy to come here Ariel. Maybe, who knows. I certainly don't know anything about this specific blade, but this could just be a noobie paying big bucks for a very nice repro.

Robert · 25th October 2008, 05:57 AM

Thank you for the information David. That explains things as I did not know that there was a reserve on the item.

Robert

trenchwarfare · 25th October 2008, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by David

There was a reserve on the blade and the bidder kept bidding until the reserve was met.
I am not convinced of any great conspiracy to come here Ariel. Maybe, who knows. I certainly don't know anything about this specific blade, but this could just be a noobie paying big bucks for a very nice repro.

I don't see mention of a reserve? Am I missing something? M.P.

Maurice · 25th October 2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by trenchwarfare

I don't see mention of a reserve? Am I missing something? M.P.

When you click on ,7 bids, wrote behind ,history, , you can see below the winning bid that the ,reserve is met,.

Maurice

VANDOO · 25th October 2008, 08:23 PM

IT IS POSSIBLE THAT A KNOWLEGABLE BIDDER MIGHT WANT AN ITEM BAD ENOUGH TO CONTINUE BIDDING UNTIL A RESERVE IS MET. BUT IN THIS CASE THE BIDDER HAD ONLY 3 FEEDBACKS AND THE ITEM WAS DEFINITELY NOT A SLEEPER AT THAT PRICE CONSIDERING WHAT IT IS. SO I TOO SUSPECT ULTERIOR MOTIVES IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF IT IS REPORTED TO EBAY THAT THE BUYER DID NOT SEND PAYMENT AND RELISTED, THAT WAY THE SELLER WOULD ONLY BE OUT THE LISTING AND RESERVE FEES FROM EBAY, WHICH WOULD BE A SURE SIGN OF DIRTY DEEDS.

I WONDER IF A PERSON COULD DO THIS ON EBAY AND THEN USE THE EBAY BOGUS SALE TO GET INSURANCE ON AN ITEM AT A VERY HIGH ESTIMITE AND THEN LOOSE IT AND COLLECT THE INSURANCE. IF THATS LEGAL I COULD DO IT WITH MY STUFF AND BURN DOWN THE HOUSE AND BE A VERY RICH MAN.

NAH !! I LIKE MY STUFF TOO MUCH TO DO THAT JUST FOR MONEY.

Rick · 25th October 2008, 08:38 PM

I was not thrilled by the quality of the fuller work (if you will) on the blade, especially the terminus .
It looked crude .
Who could really tell anything from the picture quality and limited selection .

ariel · 26th October 2008, 03:38 AM

O.K., folks, I knew the answer from the beginning and here is the solution to the riddle:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...3#ht_720wt_909

This was a scam. The seller stole the pictures. As I was told by a person from the Russian sword Forum ( and these buggers know every Russian blade on the market, Lord bless them!), the original sword was sold 5 years ago to the Museums of the Moscow Kremlin for $100, 000. You see, Ivan Boyarshchinov's blades are worth their weight in gold. Finding a real, signed Boyarshchinov's sword is like finding the real Sword of the Prophet Mohammed with his personal autograph and affidavit from Allah himself.

The Indian dagger was just a bait, to establish recent positive feedback on an otherwise dormant ( highjacked) account. Now, some drooling jerk will transfer money to an one-time-only bank account and wait for the delivery. I suspect that this sword will be relisted in a week ( after the payment had been withdrawn) and the same sting will go on.

I think the scammer is the same one who perpetrated an identical scam ( 3 listings in a row!) about 3 years ago. I still remember the phraseology: don't ask me about the origin, Paypal only if < $700, Ukrainian source etc.
Unfortunately, we cannot warn the "buyer": private sale....

katana · 26th October 2008, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

O.K., folks, I knew the answer from the beginning and here is the solution to the riddle:

This was a scam. The seller stole the pictures. As I was told by a person from the Russian sword Forum ( and these buggers know every Russian blade on the market, Lord bless them!), the original sword was sold 5 years ago to the Museums of the Moscow Kremlin for $100, 000. You see, Ivan Boyarshchinov's blades are worth their weight in gold. Finding a real, signed Boyarshchinov's sword is like finding the real Sword of the Prophet Mohammed with his personal autograph and affidavit from Allah himself.

The Indian dagger was just a bait, to establish recent positive feedback on an otherwise dormant ( highjacked) account. Now, some drooling jerk will transfer money to an one-time-only bank account and wait for the delivery. I suspect that this sword will be relisted in a week ( after the payment had been withdrawn) and the same sting will go on.

I think the scammer is the same one who perpetrated an identical scam ( 3 listings in a row!) about 3 years ago. I still remember the phraseology: don't ask me about the origin, Paypal only if < $700, Ukrainian source etc.
Unfortunately, we cannot warn the "buyer": private sale....

Hi Ariel,
I was alittle confused about the sword reference....until I searched 'ended listings' ....link below

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Antique-Bojars...d=p3286.c0.m14

The UK bidder whom 'won' the dagger, has left feedback... 6 days later, quick delivery from the Ukraine or perhaps never sent

Regards David

25th October 2008, 05:28 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Shill? MAJOR SCAM!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...1#ht_548wt_924 The only bidder bid against himself repeatedly and "won" the item. Previous "sale" by the seller occured several years ago; since then the account was dormant. I bet this was a prelude to a real scam. Keep watching. Last edited by ariel; 26th October 2008 at 04:04 AM.

26th October 2008, 03:38 AM	#9
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	O.K., folks, I knew the answer from the beginning and here is the solution to the riddle: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...3#ht_720wt_909 This was a scam. The seller stole the pictures. As I was told by a person from the Russian sword Forum ( and these buggers know every Russian blade on the market, Lord bless them!), the original sword was sold 5 years ago to the Museums of the Moscow Kremlin for $100, 000. You see, Ivan Boyarshchinov's blades are worth their weight in gold. Finding a real, signed Boyarshchinov's sword is like finding the real Sword of the Prophet Mohammed with his personal autograph and affidavit from Allah himself. The Indian dagger was just a bait, to establish recent positive feedback on an otherwise dormant ( highjacked) account. Now, some drooling jerk will transfer money to an one-time-only bank account and wait for the delivery. I suspect that this sword will be relisted in a week ( after the payment had been withdrawn) and the same sting will go on. I think the scammer is the same one who perpetrated an identical scam ( 3 listings in a row!) about 3 years ago. I still remember the phraseology: don't ask me about the origin, Paypal only if < $700, Ukrainian source etc. Unfortunately, we cannot warn the "buyer": private sale.... Last edited by ariel; 26th October 2008 at 03:47 PM.

25th October 2008, 05:43 AM	#2
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Very strange. How can you bid against yourself? I didn't know that was even possible. Robert

25th October 2008, 05:57 AM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Thank you for the information David. That explains things as I did not know that there was a reserve on the item. Robert

25th October 2008, 08:23 PM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	IT IS POSSIBLE THAT A KNOWLEGABLE BIDDER MIGHT WANT AN ITEM BAD ENOUGH TO CONTINUE BIDDING UNTIL A RESERVE IS MET. BUT IN THIS CASE THE BIDDER HAD ONLY 3 FEEDBACKS AND THE ITEM WAS DEFINITELY NOT A SLEEPER AT THAT PRICE CONSIDERING WHAT IT IS. SO I TOO SUSPECT ULTERIOR MOTIVES IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF IT IS REPORTED TO EBAY THAT THE BUYER DID NOT SEND PAYMENT AND RELISTED, THAT WAY THE SELLER WOULD ONLY BE OUT THE LISTING AND RESERVE FEES FROM EBAY, WHICH WOULD BE A SURE SIGN OF DIRTY DEEDS. I WONDER IF A PERSON COULD DO THIS ON EBAY AND THEN USE THE EBAY BOGUS SALE TO GET INSURANCE ON AN ITEM AT A VERY HIGH ESTIMITE AND THEN LOOSE IT AND COLLECT THE INSURANCE. IF THATS LEGAL I COULD DO IT WITH MY STUFF AND BURN DOWN THE HOUSE AND BE A VERY RICH MAN. NAH !! I LIKE MY STUFF TOO MUCH TO DO THAT JUST FOR MONEY.

25th October 2008, 08:38 PM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	I was not thrilled by the quality of the fuller work (if you will) on the blade, especially the terminus . It looked crude . Who could really tell anything from the picture quality and limited selection .