Saif Nimcha Relic English Civil War Period Pirate Sword

Michael Blalock · 17th June 2006, 09:17 PM

eBay 6636818511
Saif Nimcha Relic English Civil War Period Pirate Sword
http://tinyurl.com/ox4bq

I don't know much of English history. When was their civil war. What a price! Am I missing something?

Yannis · 17th June 2006, 09:22 PM

What I see is very bad photos of a very rusty blade. How someone can tell about the origin of this blade?

Rick · 17th June 2006, 10:07 PM

Hard to tell much about this piece ; the 'nimcha' style hilt had some popularity in England during this time ; one of the quillons is broken off .
Often nimcha or N.African swords utilised trade blades from Europe and England .
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~crossby/ECW/

Here is one fitted with an English backsword blade from around the turn of the 17thC.

Tim Simmons · 17th June 2006, 10:10 PM

Ridiculous!!! and I will stand by that.

S.Al-Anizi · 17th June 2006, 10:17 PM

Many ebay sellers write up rubbish description titles to get as many search hits as possible, this is one of them.

S.Al-Anizi · 17th June 2006, 10:25 PM

This is apparently a morrocan nimcha. In "Islamic Swords and Swordsmiths", Dr.Yucel claims that morrocan sword blades were very wide and thin, and famous for their high quality steel throughout Dar-Al-Islam. This ebay piece seems to be very old, or at least has experienced bas storage conditions, perhaps this is a continuation of medieval tradition of wide, thin blades.

Tim Simmons · 17th June 2006, 10:34 PM

Folks. English civil war, along with medieval swords are at the top of military antiquities for ordinary people, even that is a gross simplification and are just not sold like this. Well not in the UK.

Michael Blalock · 17th June 2006, 10:36 PM

Well, if you take a look at the previous purchases in the high bidders feedback you will see that this high price was based upon the pirate sword attribution. Interesting.

Tim Simmons · 17th June 2006, 10:55 PM

He must be under the impression that it is from the Barbery pirates/ white slavers, watch it!!! porn will come up. I suppose it is possible

.

katana · 18th June 2006, 12:38 AM

I followed this, and was puzzled by the claims of the seller. I requested more pictures............blurry.....very blurry. Could not believe the amount bid

It seems there are more 'romantic fools' out there......so I'm not the only one

....Sorry Jim.....WE'RE not the only ones

Rick · 18th June 2006, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

I followed this, and was puzzled by the claims of the seller. I requested more pictures............blurry.....very blurry. Could not believe the amount bid

It seems there are more 'romantic fools' out there......so I'm not the only one

....Sorry Jim.....WE'RE not the only ones

I would check the Buyer's feedback for items bought .

But ..........

What about this one Gentlemen ?
Any comments ?

BTW Katana , who's "Jim" ?

Also I would advise you all to keep comments about the Seller to yourselves please .

katana · 18th June 2006, 01:11 AM

Jim McDougall, after a reply to a thread I posted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

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Obviously, during the 19th century, the coasts of West Africa were heavily colonized by the French, and these naval blades found thier way into native armouries. The blades were of course remounted many times, well into the 19th century. The history of these regions, the tormenting and unfortunate tragedies of the slaving, and the rich culture later imbued into the Americas does indeed include romantic tales.......and it seems quite likely this blade in its more recent mounts most probably has some of its own!!!
Now, what was that about sanity?

All the best, from another romantic,
Jim

This was from a previous thread 'African Sabre, West Africa....Ivory Coast??? '

VANDOO · 18th June 2006, 04:18 AM

TODAYS PRICES ALL SEEM TOO HIGH TO ME IT IS AMAZING THE INCREASE IN PRICES ON MANY ITEMS IN THE LAST 3 TO 4 YEARS. THE ITEM COMES FROM A PART OF THE WORLD AND A TIME WHERE THERE ARE MANY POSSIBILITYS AND MOST WERE MENTIONED

, THAT DOSEN'T MAKE THEM FALSE BUT IT ALSO DOES NOT MAKE THEM TRUE. THE THING THAT PUZZLES ME MOST ABOUT THIS ITEM IS THE PICTURES OF IT ARE VERY BAD BUT THE PICTURES OF THE TWO OTHER ITEMS UP FOR SALE ARE FAIRLY GOOD

Michael Blalock · 18th June 2006, 05:36 AM

The winner recently paid GBP 99.99 for
"a beautiful handmade steel sabre used by sailors and pirates alike. The fistguard and pommel are made from brass and the handle is leather with brass wirework. The blade is made from 440 stainless steel "

Compared to that the nimcha was a real bargain.

Ian · 18th June 2006, 08:32 AM

Guys:

Let's keep our focus on the swords, and not what may or may not have been in the minds of the seller and buyer, or who got the better end of the deal.

Nice sword Rick. Strange guard. Hard to see how all of the fingers could grip the handle with that curious ring -- not that forefinger ring guards are all that unusual, but this one seems to get in the way of the second finger gripping the handle.

Ian.

Rick · 18th June 2006, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Guys:

Let's keep our focus on the swords, and not what may or may not have been in the minds of the seller and buyer, or who got the better end of the deal.

Nice sword Rick. Strange guard. Hard to see how all of the fingers could grip the handle with that curious ring -- not that forefinger ring guards are all that unusual, but this one seems to get in the way of the second finger gripping the handle.

Ian.

Described as a Venetian Sabre/Cutlass this was at auction recently .
I agree the finger guard seems ill placed ; possibly it was bent at some point ; or the owner was missing a finger

.

Jim McD. offered an origin for this piece which was not Venetian .

S.Al-Anizi · 18th June 2006, 04:19 PM

Rick, your sword seems to have a European blade of some sort, shortened, and resharpened alot. Clearly a very old blade. What did Jim say about it?

Rick · 18th June 2006, 08:18 PM

Hi Saqr , the 'Nimcha' or saif pictured in post number 3 is the example I own ; it is a English Backsword Blade from the late 16 - early to mid 1700s ; in its former incarnation it may have worn a Mortuary hilt or a Basket hilt of some kind .

The sword in post 11 is a picture of a sword that is not mine
(unfortunately

)

I put it up to further the discussion ; I was thinking that this might be one of the Moroccan blades you referred to .

17th June 2006, 09:17 PM	#1
Michael Blalock Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: dc Posts: 271	Saif Nimcha Relic English Civil War Period Pirate Sword eBay 6636818511 Saif Nimcha Relic English Civil War Period Pirate Sword http://tinyurl.com/ox4bq I don't know much of English history. When was their civil war. What a price! Am I missing something? Last edited by Rick; 18th June 2006 at 12:53 AM. Reason: added link

17th June 2006, 10:07 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	English Civil War Hard to tell much about this piece ; the 'nimcha' style hilt had some popularity in England during this time ; one of the quillons is broken off . Often nimcha or N.African swords utilised trade blades from Europe and England . http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~crossby/ECW/ Here is one fitted with an English backsword blade from around the turn of the 17thC. Attached Images

18th June 2006, 08:32 AM	#15
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,203	Getting back to the swords ... Guys: Let's keep our focus on the swords, and not what may or may not have been in the minds of the seller and buyer, or who got the better end of the deal. Nice sword Rick. Strange guard. Hard to see how all of the fingers could grip the handle with that curious ring -- not that forefinger ring guards are all that unusual, but this one seems to get in the way of the second finger gripping the handle. Ian.

17th June 2006, 09:22 PM	#2
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	What I see is very bad photos of a very rusty blade. How someone can tell about the origin of this blade?

17th June 2006, 10:10 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Ridiculous!!! and I will stand by that.

17th June 2006, 10:17 PM	#5
S.Al-Anizi Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 278	Many ebay sellers write up rubbish description titles to get as many search hits as possible, this is one of them.

17th June 2006, 10:25 PM	#6
S.Al-Anizi Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 278	This is apparently a morrocan nimcha. In "Islamic Swords and Swordsmiths", Dr.Yucel claims that morrocan sword blades were very wide and thin, and famous for their high quality steel throughout Dar-Al-Islam. This ebay piece seems to be very old, or at least has experienced bas storage conditions, perhaps this is a continuation of medieval tradition of wide, thin blades.

17th June 2006, 10:34 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Folks. English civil war, along with medieval swords are at the top of military antiquities for ordinary people, even that is a gross simplification and are just not sold like this. Well not in the UK.

17th June 2006, 10:36 PM	#8
Michael Blalock Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: dc Posts: 271	Well, if you take a look at the previous purchases in the high bidders feedback you will see that this high price was based upon the pirate sword attribution. Interesting.

17th June 2006, 10:55 PM	#9
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	He must be under the impression that it is from the Barbery pirates/ white slavers, watch it!!! porn will come up. I suppose it is possible .

18th June 2006, 12:38 AM	#10
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	I followed this, and was puzzled by the claims of the seller. I requested more pictures............blurry.....very blurry. Could not believe the amount bid It seems there are more 'romantic fools' out there......so I'm not the only one ....Sorry Jim.....WE'RE not the only ones

18th June 2006, 04:18 AM	#13
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	TODAYS PRICES ALL SEEM TOO HIGH TO ME IT IS AMAZING THE INCREASE IN PRICES ON MANY ITEMS IN THE LAST 3 TO 4 YEARS. THE ITEM COMES FROM A PART OF THE WORLD AND A TIME WHERE THERE ARE MANY POSSIBILITYS AND MOST WERE MENTIONED , THAT DOSEN'T MAKE THEM FALSE BUT IT ALSO DOES NOT MAKE THEM TRUE. THE THING THAT PUZZLES ME MOST ABOUT THIS ITEM IS THE PICTURES OF IT ARE VERY BAD BUT THE PICTURES OF THE TWO OTHER ITEMS UP FOR SALE ARE FAIRLY GOOD

18th June 2006, 05:36 AM	#14
Michael Blalock Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: dc Posts: 271	The winner recently paid GBP 99.99 for "a beautiful handmade steel sabre used by sailors and pirates alike. The fistguard and pommel are made from brass and the handle is leather with brass wirework. The blade is made from 440 stainless steel " Compared to that the nimcha was a real bargain.

18th June 2006, 04:19 PM	#17
S.Al-Anizi Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 278	Rick, your sword seems to have a European blade of some sort, shortened, and resharpened alot. Clearly a very old blade. What did Jim say about it?

18th June 2006, 08:18 PM	#18
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Hi Saqr , the 'Nimcha' or saif pictured in post number 3 is the example I own ; it is a English Backsword Blade from the late 16 - early to mid 1700s ; in its former incarnation it may have worn a Mortuary hilt or a Basket hilt of some kind . The sword in post 11 is a picture of a sword that is not mine (unfortunately ) I put it up to further the discussion ; I was thinking that this might be one of the Moroccan blades you referred to .