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8th February 2012, 02:01 PM
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What hilt/scabbard material on this gunong?
Just received this gunong, and the hilt and scabbard material has me puzzled. I don't think it's ivory, but it's a natural material. It seems to have layers, maybe some kind of tooth or tusk? It's very heavy. The pictures are from the auction. I'll get some better ones this weekend. The blade is sandwich construction, with a thin hard layer in the center. The hilt polished up and turned out to be brass, I think. Looking to learning more about this one!
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9th February 2012, 01:04 AM
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More (poor) pictures.
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9th February 2012, 01:38 AM
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hmmm....looks like ivory to me...
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9th February 2012, 01:39 AM
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nice one BTW...
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9th February 2012, 02:13 AM
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Thanks David!
I don't have any Ivory, so I wasn't sure. Supposedly brought back from WWII, and in a closet ever since. There was thick grease on the blade and in the scabbard. Steve |
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9th February 2012, 02:27 AM
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12th February 2012, 09:43 PM
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Some (slightly) better pictures. I guess the scabbard trim is copper. It looks pink though. Could it be suassa?
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12th February 2012, 11:28 PM
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The only way for sure to know if it is copper or swassa is to get it tested by a jeweler.
Nice pictures. |
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12th February 2012, 11:48 PM
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Thanks Jose.
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13th February 2012, 10:07 AM
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Hi Steve,
lovely gunong, really beautiful piece. Is it possible to see a picture from the throat of the handle? On some pictures you posted I think to see some black dots which will be a sign for hippo ivory. Regards, Detlef |
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14th February 2012, 10:53 AM
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I'll get a picture for you Sajen. There was a lot of grease on the scabbard from the blade. I'll clean it well and look for the black dots.
thanks, Steve |
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14th February 2012, 03:20 PM
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14th February 2012, 04:28 PM
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But it get dark like gold also. |
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14th February 2012, 06:17 PM
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Hi after reading this post I read the post 'parang betino' and noticed the similar material used in the Indonesian knife; color, darker areas etc.
(for 'our' convenience I attached a pic from that post here) Perhaps these ivory filipino handles (in general?) were carved from Asian elephant ivory? (are/were there actually any elephants native to Indonesia??) To be clear; elephant ivory is reckognizable by diamondshapes visible at the crosscut. Whaletusk and other tooth dont show this diamondpattern at the surface of crosscut. Maybe the Indonesian armsexperts know more??? |
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