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Hi,
my name is Hakim and i' m a french (my origins are from Algeria) bowyer who wants to recreate the equipment of a muslim medieval bowyer (ottoman/indo persian) ; i'm looking for all pics which can help me : helmet, shield, chaimail, clothes. I can have a shield of 18" : is is too big ? For instant, i have o real composite bow and a arrow quiver ![]() ![]() Thanks for your help! Tane |
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This looks like it was used from horse back? The English are famous for the use of the Long Bow up untill the 15th century. It is said that an English bowman captured in Scotland if his life was spared he had his thumbs cut off. The long bow being so specialised and heavy the strain deformed the bodies of those skilled in its use.
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Beautiful quiver. I don't know how to link, but a site called Age of Chivalry has a nice description of Ghulam warriors. It sounds like a good place to start. Would love to see pics of everything all together.
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Hi Tane,
Nice work you've got there! I think you should take a look at all the medieval manuscripts you could find, to accurately reproduce what you're after. |
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VERY NICE WORK AND WELCOME TO THE FORUM. I HAVE SEEN INFORMATION SOMEWHERE ON THIS BUT NO LONGER HAVE THE MEMORY TO REMEMBER WHERE. YOU MIGHT TRY A SEARCH OF THE FORUM ARCHIVES USING ARCHERY, BOW, ARROW OR OTHER RELATED WORDS. HERE IS A PICTURE OF A TURKISH GAURD WHICH WILL SHOW SOME OF THE DRESS AND WEAPONS . I HOPE IT COMES THRU. GOOD LUCK
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Thank you very much for your help!
In fact, i have already search on the site, and i though you could have more pics specific to my purpose. I have the "palace guard" painting too and in deed, it's marvelous! Moreover, it's a by french painter ![]() I'm very happy that you like my staff and with you, i hope continue! Tane |
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Hello Tane, I recommend the book titled "A Glossary of the Construction, Decoration and Use of Arms and Armor" by George Cameron Stone. It has a large chapter on armour and bows, and includes a fair number of Ottoman and Persian examples.
The palace guard is an amazing picture! It's interesting to see how high the sash was worn and how high the yataghan, pistol and khanjar were carried. It almost looks awckward to reach and unsheath the yataghan. Regards, Emanuel |
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Je t'ai répondu Manolo!
I f you have some articles, you can send me at hakimberkat@hotmail.com Thanks! Tane |
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Hi Tane ....very nice quiver. Your bow..is it a traditional composite (sinew backed, horn etc) or a modern equivalent ? Either way this type of bow is very powerful for their size.
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it's a real composite bow which is very powerful and the size is 46". Tane Last edited by Tane; 14th January 2007 at 10:21 AM. |
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If you are planning on doing a 15th-16th century Ottoman sipahi (armoured cavalry/horse-archer), check out these threads, you may find them helpful:
http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=71813 http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=72695 BTW, that's nice stuff you've got there. All the best. ![]() |
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While we are on the subject of archery. The English longbow was a devastating weapon in the hands of commoners bring down the elite on horse back therefore having tremendous impact on West European warfare in the middle ages. Well in England and France, Wales and Scotland anyway.
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Thank you very much for your help!
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Hello!
Below you'll find just a few pictures from books I had just at the hand. You should get few book like: War and Peace. Ottoman-Polish Relations in the 15th-19th c. - great catalogue from exhibition in Istanbul and Warsaw 1999 vastly illustrated (in Polish version 'Wojna i Pokoj' from time to time available on ebay) B&W picture is from the book by Zdzislaw Zygulski, Ottoman art in the service of the Empire, NY 1992 -there is a small chapter on arms too, but it isn't necessary. I believe you already have Turkish Archery and the composite bow by Paul E. Klopsteg (1947) devoted just to this subject. regards! |
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Really beautiful!!! Thanks a lot!
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Could some of those quivers also carry the bow? The curving shapes suggest the potential. But in all the illustrations I've seen, the bow is in use. I have seen a few drawings that showed the archers with the bows slung over the shoulder. But this seems too dangerous of a way to transport a valuable instrument. On closer inspection... Are some quivers and others bow cases?
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Yes, of course there are bow cases:
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thought some people decided to choose other way of transporting bows
![]() ![]() Here is a picture of azab - Turkish infantryman, picture by Nicolas de Nicolay from 1551 y. |
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Lovely pieces all around, but be wary of copying too much form the lovely portrait of the Guard by Deutsch. While it's a magnifcent piece, especially for us weapon lovers, it is admittedly 'fantasicized', with Deutsch overloading the subject with far more pieces than normal. He does this in several of his works as does Gerome. They both had magnificent weapons collections after travelling thru the Middle East and N. Africa, and this overload was a way of showing off the pieces they loved in their art. The poor guy would have done well to stand up, much less move with the load he is carrying!!
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