Someone bought this as?

Tim Simmons · 26th June 2024, 05:18 PM

Antique BALL HEADED WAR CLUB Eastern Woodland Indian Effigy Face Pewter Tacks. Sold for a high price in money, do you think it was bought knowing it is African? I don't think so. I will not and the ebay link as we are not supposed to talk about money. However knowledge is power. Are we here to educate ? or what ?

David · 26th June 2024, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Antique BALL HEADED WAR CLUB Eastern Woodland Indian Effigy Face Pewter Tacks. Sold for a high price in money, do you think it was bought knowing it is African? I don't think so. I will not and the ebay link as we are not supposed to talk about money. However knowledge is power. Are we here to educate ? or what ?

I'm not seeing any images Tim. Hard to discuss without them.

Norman McCormick · 26th June 2024, 06:37 PM

Here you go Tim.

David · 26th June 2024, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Sold for a high price in money, do you think it was bought knowing it is African? I don't think so.

Well, i don't really know much about clubs in general, but i do know that authentic First Nations/Native American artifacts, especially effigy war clubs, go for much more money than the buyer purchased this for. That would not be a lot of money if the buyer really thought this was Native American. You'd have to add a zero, or possibly even two. So my guess is that they did indeed know the club was African. Of course i don't know what a reasonable price is for an African club like this.

Sajen · 27th June 2024, 06:26 AM

I am not sure that the club in discussion is old or antique, the chips show rather bright wood, could it be rather recent?

Ian · 27th June 2024, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

I... could it be rather recent?

Looks recent to me also.

Pertinax · 27th June 2024, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian

Looks recent to me also.

Very similar to contemporary art from Kenya and Tanzania

gp · 29th June 2024, 05:54 PM

I might be mistaken, but have some doubt whether this is a club.

Reason:

the lower or bottom part of the handle looks quite thin for a clubbing waepon.
It might break easily when used with force on a non-soft object...

Hence my thought it to be a kind / type of statue-like or ceremonial object.
But then again as stated, I might be wrong...

Pertinax · 29th June 2024, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gp

I might be mistaken, but have some doubt whether this is a club.

Reason:

the lower or bottom part of the handle looks quite thin for a clubbing waepon.
It might break easily when used with force on a non-soft object...

Hence my thought it to be a kind / type of statue-like or ceremonial object.
But then again as stated, I might be wrong...

If it is made in Tanzania or Kenya, then the batons are made from ebony, a very strong and heavy wood. Although judging by the light chips of the wood, it is not ebony.

Here is the Maasai Orkuma club made of ebony, weight: 400 g

Battara · 1st July 2024, 05:22 AM

Usually the effigy war clubs are from the Penobscot, occasionally Plains. Those are also usually recent. This doesn't look Penobscot nor Native American.

Also I would agree with a more recent manufacture.

Tim Simmons · 2nd July 2024, 04:14 PM

Took me some time to find it. There are more on the site. Common wit Belgian collectors.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=gogo

Battara · 3rd July 2024, 02:20 AM

Tim I think you found it. Good work and thanks.

26th June 2024, 05:18 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Someone bought this as? Antique BALL HEADED WAR CLUB Eastern Woodland Indian Effigy Face Pewter Tacks. Sold for a high price in money, do you think it was bought knowing it is African? I don't think so. I will not and the ebay link as we are not supposed to talk about money. However knowledge is power. Are we here to educate ? or what ?

26th June 2024, 06:37 PM	#3
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,596	Here you go Tim. Attached Images

27th June 2024, 06:26 AM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	I am not sure that the club in discussion is old or antique, the chips show rather bright wood, could it be rather recent?

29th June 2024, 05:54 PM	#8
gp Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 717	I might be mistaken, but have some doubt whether this is a club. Reason: the lower or bottom part of the handle looks quite thin for a clubbing waepon. It might break easily when used with force on a non-soft object... Hence my thought it to be a kind / type of statue-like or ceremonial object. But then again as stated, I might be wrong...

1st July 2024, 05:22 AM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Usually the effigy war clubs are from the Penobscot, occasionally Plains. Those are also usually recent. This doesn't look Penobscot nor Native American. Also I would agree with a more recent manufacture.

2nd July 2024, 04:14 PM	#11
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Took me some time to find it. There are more on the site. Common wit Belgian collectors. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=gogo

3rd July 2024, 02:20 AM	#12
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Tim I think you found it. Good work and thanks.