Sidearm of some kind?

Fheng · 19th September 2012, 12:06 AM

Hi all
I'm new to this forum so please let me know if I'm doing something wrong (I've read all the rules, but still)

I own a sword that I can't identify for the life of me. Maybe someone has an idea of where it is from and what it is for.
My limited knowledge leads me to believe it is a Sidearm and English in make.
It has a makers mark on the blade and the hilt but has no pommel.
The hilt and cross guard are brass but I am not sure about the blade.
I'll be glad with any response to this post!

Cheers

Fheng · 21st September 2012, 07:31 AM

Here are some pictures of the sword and it's scabbard.

kahnjar1 · 21st September 2012, 08:32 AM

A pic of the sword might help.
Regards Stu

Fheng · 22nd September 2012, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

A pic of the sword might help.
Regards Stu

I uploaded the pics but they were pending approval when you posted.
Hope anyone out there has any ideas.
I'm extremely interested to learn more about it.

M ELEY · 22nd September 2012, 12:01 PM

The general pattern of this sword is the gladius. In the 1830's, this sword pattern became popular again with the French infantry swords and also the m1830 U.S. artillary swords. After those patterns, there were a series of ceremonial types that resembled this patterning. I believe that's what you have here, roughly the same time period cs 1830's-50's. It should be noted that there were American Confederate swords with this pattern as well, BUT I don't think this is one. I've never seen one with a criss-cross hilt pattern like this. Most have brass with same crossguard, but simple spiral grips...

Well, yours could be a modern interpretation, hard to tell. Here's a few similar examples-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulhit...n/photostream/

Fheng · 23rd September 2012, 12:51 AM

Thanks for the reply
I am aware of the french artillery sword but this one is a single edged sword (I forgot to mention in my first post)
It has some ball point pen markings (possibly from a repair job) on the wooden part of the scabbard, when the leather is removed. The sword has this hallmark on blade and at the end of the grip.

Fheng · 24th September 2012, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fheng

The sword has this hallmark on blade and at the end of the grip.

Correction - The sword has this makers mark on blade and at the end of the grip.

Fheng · 24th September 2012, 12:45 PM

There is a chance this is a Yeomanry sidearm from mid to late 1800s
after doing some more research I found some images on google that suggests a crown being part of yeomanry symbolism and the Y, of course, meaning "Yeomanry" (maybe). If you type Yeomanry in to google images you get a lot of Crowns and and the letter Y.
It is possible that this sword is from Australia or New Zealand (Canterbury Yeomanry Cavalry??).

I would do some more but it's late and I'm getting tired.
I hope someone else takes an interest because I don't see myself solving this one alone.
Thanks for all the replies so far!

19th September 2012, 12:06 AM	#1
Fheng Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: New Zealand Posts: 14	Sidearm of some kind? Hi all I'm new to this forum so please let me know if I'm doing something wrong (I've read all the rules, but still) I own a sword that I can't identify for the life of me. Maybe someone has an idea of where it is from and what it is for. My limited knowledge leads me to believe it is a Sidearm and English in make. It has a makers mark on the blade and the hilt but has no pommel. The hilt and cross guard are brass but I am not sure about the blade. I'll be glad with any response to this post! Cheers Attached Images

21st September 2012, 07:31 AM	#2
Fheng Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: New Zealand Posts: 14	Here are some pictures of the sword and it's scabbard. Attached Images

22nd September 2012, 12:01 PM	#5
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,101	The general pattern of this sword is the gladius. In the 1830's, this sword pattern became popular again with the French infantry swords and also the m1830 U.S. artillary swords. After those patterns, there were a series of ceremonial types that resembled this patterning. I believe that's what you have here, roughly the same time period cs 1830's-50's. It should be noted that there were American Confederate swords with this pattern as well, BUT I don't think this is one. I've never seen one with a criss-cross hilt pattern like this. Most have brass with same crossguard, but simple spiral grips... Well, yours could be a modern interpretation, hard to tell. Here's a few similar examples- http://www.flickr.com/photos/paulhit...n/photostream/ Last edited by M ELEY; 22nd September 2012 at 12:16 PM.

23rd September 2012, 12:51 AM	#6
Fheng Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: New Zealand Posts: 14	Thanks for the reply I am aware of the french artillery sword but this one is a single edged sword (I forgot to mention in my first post) It has some ball point pen markings (possibly from a repair job) on the wooden part of the scabbard, when the leather is removed. The sword has this hallmark on blade and at the end of the grip. Attached Images

24th September 2012, 12:45 PM	#8
Fheng Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: New Zealand Posts: 14	There is a chance this is a Yeomanry sidearm from mid to late 1800s after doing some more research I found some images on google that suggests a crown being part of yeomanry symbolism and the Y, of course, meaning "Yeomanry" (maybe). If you type Yeomanry in to google images you get a lot of Crowns and and the letter Y. It is possible that this sword is from Australia or New Zealand (Canterbury Yeomanry Cavalry??). I would do some more but it's late and I'm getting tired. I hope someone else takes an interest because I don't see myself solving this one alone. Thanks for all the replies so far! Attached Images Last edited by Fheng; 24th September 2012 at 11:28 PM.

21st September 2012, 08:32 AM	#3
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,741	A pic of the sword might help. Regards Stu