A caucasian beibut dagger ?

BBking · 20th April 2022, 06:05 PM

Hello, this is my last acquisition,
a small dagger with a kindjal shape hilt.
Nice filigree scabbard with stones/turquoises
and hardstone hilt

Too fancy ?? A tourist piece for you ??.

Maybe made for a lady or for a child ??

I hesitate between oriental or caucasian origin ??

Ren Ren · 20th April 2022, 09:28 PM

This is a souvenir made in Armenia for tourists.

BBking · 21st April 2022, 10:07 AM

Hello,
Thank you for the armenian origin !
For the armenian tourist pieces with stones and filigree,
Maybe have you a picture of similar pieces ??
On the web I just found these ugly "daggers" , clearly not the same work ...

For "my" beibut-kindjal, the blade seems not that bad, not just flat.
There is a light central fuller, that's what told me the seller and what we guess on the picture.
I will post better pictures when I will receive it...
Hoping I am not all wrong...

ariel · 21st April 2022, 07:03 PM

Just as well it may be from Georgia or from the Russia- controlled North Caucasus. All of these places are chock-full of souvenir workshops producing such kinjals 24/7 and each one has a stamping press and/or a bunch of after-school girls applying filigree of local design. The only way to pinpoint the origin is by looking at the language of inscription, but there is none on your example.

Souvenir item , likely very new, including last couple of years.

BBking · 29th April 2022, 01:18 PM

Hello, I just received it,

The blade has a large single fuller,
Not a weapon but not a basic souvenir

I will post other pictures

Maybe made by school grandma's....

BBking · 29th April 2022, 01:24 PM

Difficult to find his bebut internet brother

But I get it !!

Said to be end of 19th/early 20th century...

Battara · 30th April 2022, 01:24 AM

The Oriental-Arms example was long ago and with better understanding years later, it now might be considered souvenir class.

ariel · 30th April 2022, 04:32 AM

Moreover, the Oriental_Arms' and yours are not the same dagger.

David · 30th April 2022, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Moreover, the Oriental_Arms' and yours are not the same dagger.

Sure does look like the same workshop though. Though i suspect Artzi may have over estimated its age a bit.

francantolin · 14th December 2023, 07:21 PM

hello
I saw this, action just ended,
Not a period but a price....
Not bad for 'tourist's souvenir as some said.

20th April 2022, 06:05 PM	#1
BBking Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 66	A caucasian beibut dagger ? Hello, this is my last acquisition, a small dagger with a kindjal shape hilt. Nice filigree scabbard with stones/turquoises and hardstone hilt Too fancy ?? A tourist piece for you ??. Maybe made for a lady or for a child ?? I hesitate between oriental or caucasian origin ?? Attached Images

21st April 2022, 10:07 AM	#3
BBking Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 66	Hello, Thank you for the armenian origin ! For the armenian tourist pieces with stones and filigree, Maybe have you a picture of similar pieces ?? On the web I just found these ugly "daggers" , clearly not the same work ... For "my" beibut-kindjal, the blade seems not that bad, not just flat. There is a light central fuller, that's what told me the seller and what we guess on the picture. I will post better pictures when I will receive it... Hoping I am not all wrong... Attached Images

29th April 2022, 01:18 PM	#5
BBking Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 66	Hello, I just received it, The blade has a large single fuller, Not a weapon but not a basic souvenir I will post other pictures Maybe made by school grandma's.... Attached Images

29th April 2022, 01:24 PM	#6
BBking Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 66	Difficult to find his bebut internet brother But I get it !! Said to be end of 19th/early 20th century... Attached Images

14th December 2023, 07:21 PM	#10
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 876	hello I saw this, action just ended, Not a period but a price.... Not bad for 'tourist's souvenir as some said. Attached Images

20th April 2022, 09:28 PM	#2
Ren Ren Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Russia, Moscow Posts: 374	This is a souvenir made in Armenia for tourists.

21st April 2022, 07:03 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Just as well it may be from Georgia or from the Russia- controlled North Caucasus. All of these places are chock-full of souvenir workshops producing such kinjals 24/7 and each one has a stamping press and/or a bunch of after-school girls applying filigree of local design. The only way to pinpoint the origin is by looking at the language of inscription, but there is none on your example. Souvenir item , likely very new, including last couple of years.

30th April 2022, 01:24 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	The Oriental-Arms example was long ago and with better understanding years later, it now might be considered souvenir class.

30th April 2022, 04:32 AM	#8
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Moreover, the Oriental_Arms' and yours are not the same dagger.