Unusual Lance / short spear

Bill M · 27th August 2006, 11:19 PM

Screws together in the middle. Could be used as a lance or short spear, I guess. OAL (assembled) = 81 inches.

Battara · 28th August 2006, 07:48 PM

Not seen anything like that before. Is it Indo-persian judging by the blade shape and the chasing work?

Tim Simmons · 28th August 2006, 07:52 PM

Its a bit tasty!!!!.

Battara · 28th August 2006, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Its a bit tasty!!!!.

Tim Simmons · 28th August 2006, 08:19 PM

Dashed fine thing, old boy.

Battara · 28th August 2006, 08:28 PM

Oh....I agree.

katana · 28th August 2006, 08:47 PM

What a lovely piece.....you do seem to find them Bill.

I wonder whether it was made 'collapsable' to make transporting it easier...especially on horseback ...or ...so that it could be used 'half length' in a close quarter combat situation? Is the shaft wood with metal overlay? Is the threaded portion wood or metal ? It appears that the threading is machined...if so ..it should help to date it. The spear head looks to be of quality and well forged.....very nice indeed

Rick · 28th August 2006, 10:44 PM

I wonder if it is a re-mount of an older spearhead . The repousse work is fairly simplistic and unsophisticated; this could be a sign of newer work .

Bill M · 28th August 2006, 11:56 PM

Tirri calls this an 18th/19th century "Bellam." see page 278, figure 202 and 202 detail for plates showing this particular lance.

"Bellam" is a generic name that is further defined by Ashoka Arts as:

"A scarce old Indian lance or spear 'Nezah' (or Nezak). Black lacquered undulating wood shaft with some flexibility as was normal for these lances.

"Large brass mounts decoratively chiselled with floral scrolls, possibly originally gilt. Rigid steel head of unusual form mounted ornately to the shaft.

"As was typical of these lances, the centre section can be unscrewed. Long counter-weighted brass butt with various collare and shaped foot.

"Good condition, minor losses to lacquerwork. These spears were relatively lightweight in order for them to be used both as javelins or a lance on horseback.

"An attractive and rare piece. North-West India, 19th century."

B.I · 29th August 2006, 12:11 AM

this is indian and northern, probably rajesthan. i would think it dates to early 19thC and i think the whole piece is original and en suite. its a good thing and you did well to find it.
the decoration hints at a kutch style, although somewhat cruder.
the makara clamping the blade is a southern trait, although also used in the north, as in this piece.
well done!

Battara · 29th August 2006, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

I wonder if it is a re-mount of an older spearhead . The repousse work is fairly simplistic and unsophisticated; this could be a sign of newer work .

I think you have a point Rick (like the one on top of my head

). I think the chasing work would have been better had it been from the 17-18c. Early to mid 19c would make sense of this work.

Bill M · 30th August 2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

I think you have a point Rick (like the one on top of my head

). I think the chasing work would have been better had it been from the 17-18c. Early to mid 19c would make sense of this work.

Jose, I think that you, Tirri, Ahsoka, B.I and Rick are right. This does help date it early to mid 19th c.

27th August 2006, 11:19 PM	#1
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Unusual Lance / short spear Screws together in the middle. Could be used as a lance or short spear, I guess. OAL (assembled) = 81 inches. Attached Images

28th August 2006, 11:56 PM	#9
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Thank you all! A lttle more information. . . . . . Tirri calls this an 18th/19th century "Bellam." see page 278, figure 202 and 202 detail for plates showing this particular lance. "Bellam" is a generic name that is further defined by Ashoka Arts as: "A scarce old Indian lance or spear 'Nezah' (or Nezak). Black lacquered undulating wood shaft with some flexibility as was normal for these lances. "Large brass mounts decoratively chiselled with floral scrolls, possibly originally gilt. Rigid steel head of unusual form mounted ornately to the shaft. "As was typical of these lances, the centre section can be unscrewed. Long counter-weighted brass butt with various collare and shaped foot. "Good condition, minor losses to lacquerwork. These spears were relatively lightweight in order for them to be used both as javelins or a lance on horseback. "An attractive and rare piece. North-West India, 19th century."

28th August 2006, 07:48 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,200	Not seen anything like that before. Is it Indo-persian judging by the blade shape and the chasing work?

28th August 2006, 07:52 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,776	Its a bit tasty!!!!.

28th August 2006, 08:19 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,776	Dashed fine thing, old boy.

28th August 2006, 08:28 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,200	Oh....I agree.

28th August 2006, 08:47 PM	#7
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	What a lovely piece.....you do seem to find them Bill. I wonder whether it was made 'collapsable' to make transporting it easier...especially on horseback ...or ...so that it could be used 'half length' in a close quarter combat situation? Is the shaft wood with metal overlay? Is the threaded portion wood or metal ? It appears that the threading is machined...if so ..it should help to date it. The spear head looks to be of quality and well forged.....very nice indeed

28th August 2006, 10:44 PM	#8
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,287	I wonder if it is a re-mount of an older spearhead . The repousse work is fairly simplistic and unsophisticated; this could be a sign of newer work .

29th August 2006, 12:11 AM	#10
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	this is indian and northern, probably rajesthan. i would think it dates to early 19thC and i think the whole piece is original and en suite. its a good thing and you did well to find it. the decoration hints at a kutch style, although somewhat cruder. the makara clamping the blade is a southern trait, although also used in the north, as in this piece. well done!