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Hello,
around two years ago I won this heavily corroded short sword. It's exactly like the old boys liked it, thin, wide and heavy. Without the Tang it is ~55 cm long. The cutting edge looks gruesome, this sword saw truly brutal action. I'm sure this blade was part of a European collection, because the latin number "1748" is stamped on the blade. Any ideas what it is? Is it a moorish blade from spain or a naval sword? I hope, someone know what I have. At least it seems to be pretty rare, because I cannot find another example. Best wishes, Roland |
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Hello Roland,
To me, it looks more like a Chinese Pudao. ![]() |
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thank you for your thoughts. Polearm was also my first guess but than I saw these symbols and the number, I became indecisive. I think the tang is too weak for a polearm, maybe it was shortened. The blade under the yelman-like area is 2.5 mm thin, relatively thin for a polearm. What I can say definitely is that there are very deep notches. It almost seems, a little bit of steel from an oponents weapon is cold welded in the notch. Best, Roland |
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Hiya, any signs that the tang was peened over, or was it a stick tang and just inserted into the grip/shaft.
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Though I cannot find an exact match, this blade reminds me of some of the ones used on machetes made by Robert Mole & Sons.
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Hi Roland,
Interesting old "warrior." The thickness (thinness) of this blade does remind me of a machete, as Robert suggested. The "1748" mark could be a model no. Ian. |
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Hi Roland,
It looks like a Chinese sword, but because of the shape and the moon stamp. For me it's a falchion, 15th c. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...0&page=1&pp=30 You should post it on the European forum. Kubur |
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I keep seeing that number as a date,
1748! |
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reminds me of this one discussed earlier:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...6&postcount=55 |
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That makes sense. Normally such dates are more artistic made, never just stamped in the middle of the surface with simple marking stamp. In my opinion the number is a kind of inventory number of an old weapon collection. Just a guess. Roland |
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Yes, this beast works like a machete and as I said/showed, the cutting edge looks awful. Model number is one possibility but 1748 was the time of Friedrich II. from Prussia and the edged weapons of that period were different as edged weapons has been displaced by muskets and only survived as secondary weapons (except from cavalry). I think the symbols and number are added later. |
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Thank you for this link, this beauty comes pretty close to my one but survived in much better condition. I have read, that there has been two versions of the falchion, a European and a Oriental version but without further explanation. The variant with the s-shaped guard seems to be the Oriental Version or Oriental inspired version. |
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Hello Roland,
The workmanship doesn't strike me as Chinese nor SE Asia. Quote:
The number doesn't strike me as anything sensible to do to a working blade (with the outer margin of the first number coming close to the [hardened?] edge); thus, I'd go for a later addition (and musea as well as collectors are known to have done dumb things to their pieces)! Regards, Kai |
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The sword looks like you would imagine a moor pirate sword to look like. The man-in-the-moon suggests that it’s not Islamic but European. The number 1748 looks like it was stamped into the sword rather than engraved. Could it be to commemorate the year in which this weapon was captured by its owner? There seem to have been a number of British-Spanish engagements in that year and it seems to have been when the Austrian War of Succession ended.
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The 1748 is a stamping and is the same or similar to German stamps from the late 1800's found on their firearms etc.
The moon appears to be a later but older addition with its outline unbroken seeming to miss any deep corrosion. This blade also looks very much like a machete to me. Many older blades have an iron tang with steel blade but I don't see and forged welding where the two would meet. |
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Best, Roland Quote:
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Tang and blade seems to be made of one kind of steel, no scarf welded techniques. In the next days I will make a test with my salt to bring out the pattern, which hopefully gives more certainty. I tend to believe as it was said in the comments, it seems to be a European Falchion/Malchus. Roland |
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