Zulu Sticks

The Double D · 17th December 2006, 07:44 PM

iWisa. Knobkerrie with large head. Special care has to be taken in making this knobkerrie, and only certain trees, such as umthathe and ntncaka, are used. Before being fashioned, the stick, a straight, thick one, is stripped of its bark and placed under the manure in the cattle-kraal. This prevents it from drying too quickly and cracking (Stuart, uTulasizwe, pp. 52-5).

inSulungu. Knobkerrie with an unusually massive head. Bryant, Zulu English Dictionary.

isiMongo. Large-headed, short-handled knobkerrie for throwing. Bryant, Dictionary

Chopho, iCopo, isiShingo, uShingwana. Small-headed, fancy knobkerrie, with head scooped out underneath and on top. Used at display dances. Samuelson, Long, Long Ago, p. 308

isAgila, isAgisha. Rough knobkerrie, with head consisting of the root of a tree or joint of a branch. Used for hurling at birds Land small game. Samuelson, Long, Long Ago,

umZaca, umShiza. Stout stick or shaft without a knob, such as are commonly carried by young men for defensive purposes. . Bryant, Dictionary. Samuelson gives its length as about three and a half Lfeet

isaKhwili. A short umZaca. . Bryant, Dictionary

isiViliBa. Thicker and shorter than umZaca. .Samuelson, Long, Long Ago,

isiQogolo, isiGongotho. Short, thick stick, picked up for belabouring with. Samuelson, Long, Long Ago,

iSwazi. Thin, straight stick for fencing, according to Samuelson. Samuelson, Long, Long Ago, Bryant says it is a peculiar kind of assegai, with groove down the middle, used by the Swazis.

isiPhiselo. An Umzaca sharply pointed at one end, according to Bryant. Bryant, Dictionary. Samuelson says it is a small, round-headed knobkerrie, and he calls the pointed stick Shibe-dabe.

inDuku. Long, walking staff of any kjnd, whether knobbed (iWisa) or plain (umZaca) or supplied with an- iron, barbed end. Bryant, Dictionary

uBoko, uDdndolo, uZime. Long, walking stick, such as is used by old men and women. Bryant, Dictionary

uDlewedlewe, uNhlongweni. Very long staff. Colenso, Zulu Dictionary

uluKhande. Long, sharp stick for throwing at the inTsema (a large spherical tuber weighing up to eight pounds, which is sent rolling down a slope).

Tim Simmons · 17th December 2006, 08:01 PM

Very interesting, you have some nice sticks. IsiMongo? Total length 55cm. Ball diameter 10cm. I had always been unsure about this one. Much more happy now. Perhaps a little older than i had first thought.

ggoudie · 17th December 2006, 09:19 PM

Hi guys ,any ideas on this one ?

Tim Simmons · 17th December 2006, 09:34 PM

That is nice. It looks to me to be east African perhaps Tanzania, the wood is very much like this one. Your club is the same shape as some illustrated in a book, Armies of the 19th century, East Africa. The one I post is not a fighting example.

The Double D · 18th December 2006, 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Very interesting, you have some nice sticks. IsiMongo? Total length 55cm. Ball diameter 10cm. I had always been unsure about this one. Much more happy now. Perhaps a little older than i had first thought.

isiMongo just seems to sound so right for your knobkerrie...the name has a ring!

Luc LEFEBVRE · 20th December 2006, 11:15 PM

Some pics for illustration about clubs
Luc

nKante · 6th January 2007, 02:25 AM

Hey Luc, please tell me were I can locate these illustrations. I am interested in traditional african armor.

roanoa · 6th January 2007, 06:12 AM

Hi Luc. I am looking at the warrior #10. How is it identified in your book? Sudanese? I have a short sword like the one he is wearing on his belt, even though the scabbrd is fitted with an arm loop. Cheers and Happy New Year. Ron

Tim Simmons · 7th January 2007, 06:17 PM

This is well worth a look. No old sticks though.
http://ejmas.com/jalt/jaltart_Coetzee_0902.htm

The Double D · 20th January 2007, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

This is well worth a look. No old sticks though.
http://ejmas.com/jalt/jaltart_Coetzee_0902.htm

Tim,

This is a very interesting link. It explains a lot. While driving aroudn Zulu land you see people carring sticks and umbrellas and you often wonder why.

A local antique shop has a stick they call a Zulu Dance stick. But it is identical to the sticks shown in the picture of Manzabelayo Zulu and Dukubonge Shongwe sparring in section 8.

I suppose that will find it's way into my wifes knobkerrie collection once she reads that website.

Tim Simmons · 20th January 2007, 08:17 PM

Some very interesting information on sticks/staffs and there importance in the 19th early 20th century can be found in "The Art of Southeast Africa" available from amazon. In this book it is suggested that well carved sticks were used as tribute to the Zulu empire.

Luc LEFEBVRE · 20th January 2007, 11:57 PM

Sorry to be late for reply...
I found these pictures for sale on ebay, a few month ago.
No more information on them !
Luc

17th December 2006, 08:01 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Very interesting, you have some nice sticks. IsiMongo? Total length 55cm. Ball diameter 10cm. I had always been unsure about this one. Much more happy now. Perhaps a little older than i had first thought. Attached Images

17th December 2006, 09:19 PM	#3
ggoudie Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 29	Hi guys ,any ideas on this one ? Attached Images

17th December 2006, 09:34 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	That is nice. It looks to me to be east African perhaps Tanzania, the wood is very much like this one. Your club is the same shape as some illustrated in a book, Armies of the 19th century, East Africa. The one I post is not a fighting example. Attached Images

20th December 2006, 11:15 PM	#6
Luc LEFEBVRE Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: France Posts: 472	just to illustrate... Some pics for illustration about clubs Luc Attached Images

17th December 2006, 07:44 PM	#1
The Double D Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: On the banks of Cut Bank Creek, Montana Posts: 189	Zulu Sticks iWisa. Knobkerrie with large head. Special care has to be taken in making this knobkerrie, and only certain trees, such as umthathe and ntncaka, are used. Before being fashioned, the stick, a straight, thick one, is stripped of its bark and placed under the manure in the cattle-kraal. This prevents it from drying too quickly and cracking (Stuart, uTulasizwe, pp. 52-5). inSulungu. Knobkerrie with an unusually massive head. Bryant, Zulu English Dictionary. isiMongo. Large-headed, short-handled knobkerrie for throwing. Bryant, Dictionary Chopho, iCopo, isiShingo, uShingwana. Small-headed, fancy knobkerrie, with head scooped out underneath and on top. Used at display dances. Samuelson, Long, Long Ago, p. 308 isAgila, isAgisha. Rough knobkerrie, with head consisting of the root of a tree or joint of a branch. Used for hurling at birds Land small game. Samuelson, Long, Long Ago, umZaca, umShiza. Stout stick or shaft without a knob, such as are commonly carried by young men for defensive purposes. . Bryant, Dictionary. Samuelson gives its length as about three and a half Lfeet isaKhwili. A short umZaca. . Bryant, Dictionary isiViliBa. Thicker and shorter than umZaca. .Samuelson, Long, Long Ago, isiQogolo, isiGongotho. Short, thick stick, picked up for belabouring with. Samuelson, Long, Long Ago, iSwazi. Thin, straight stick for fencing, according to Samuelson. Samuelson, Long, Long Ago, Bryant says it is a peculiar kind of assegai, with groove down the middle, used by the Swazis. isiPhiselo. An Umzaca sharply pointed at one end, according to Bryant. Bryant, Dictionary. Samuelson says it is a small, round-headed knobkerrie, and he calls the pointed stick Shibe-dabe. inDuku. Long, walking staff of any kjnd, whether knobbed (iWisa) or plain (umZaca) or supplied with an- iron, barbed end. Bryant, Dictionary uBoko, uDdndolo, uZime. Long, walking stick, such as is used by old men and women. Bryant, Dictionary uDlewedlewe, uNhlongweni. Very long staff. Colenso, Zulu Dictionary uluKhande. Long, sharp stick for throwing at the inTsema (a large spherical tuber weighing up to eight pounds, which is sent rolling down a slope).

6th January 2007, 02:25 AM	#7
nKante Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Philly Posts: 72	Hey Luc, please tell me were I can locate these illustrations. I am interested in traditional african armor.

6th January 2007, 06:12 AM	#8
roanoa Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 234	Hi Luc. I am looking at the warrior #10. How is it identified in your book? Sudanese? I have a short sword like the one he is wearing on his belt, even though the scabbrd is fitted with an arm loop. Cheers and Happy New Year. Ron

7th January 2007, 06:17 PM	#9
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	This is well worth a look. No old sticks though. http://ejmas.com/jalt/jaltart_Coetzee_0902.htm

20th January 2007, 08:17 PM	#11
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	Some very interesting information on sticks/staffs and there importance in the 19th early 20th century can be found in "The Art of Southeast Africa" available from amazon. In this book it is suggested that well carved sticks were used as tribute to the Zulu empire.

20th January 2007, 11:57 PM	#12
Luc LEFEBVRE Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: France Posts: 472	Sorry to be late for reply... I found these pictures for sale on ebay, a few month ago. No more information on them ! Luc