Shamshir ID help needed

erikscollectables · 13th April 2018, 03:05 PM

Hi, just came across this shamshir, any ideas on age and or region?

Seems to have age, no markings on the blade which seems to be well made but sharpened a lot over time.

Thanks for looking and your help!

Regards, Erik

Roland_M · 13th April 2018, 06:19 PM

Hi Eric,

the blade seems to be a European army pattern from ~1750-1850. The crossguard is is borrowed by a Shamshir, the hilt looks like a late Viking or early Medieval long sword.

In my humble opinion it is either European work of early 19th., probably older blade with a newer Shamshir like hilt.

Or perhaps it comes from Iran. They made very good copies of European blades, preferably French patterns (Khorasani, "Arms and Armor from Iran" page 559-567), sometimes with an European hilt, sometimes with an Oriental hilt.

The hilt construction is relatively obviously not intended for battlefield use. I believe, the signs of usage and resharpening happened with the original hilt.

Regards,
Roland

erikscollectables · 13th April 2018, 07:47 PM

Handle and crossguard have the same type of design with leaves so seem to belong together. Certainly has an European feel to it.

erikscollectables · 15th April 2018, 08:34 PM

No other input?

So probably an European mameluke military style sword. In this case a wild combination of shamshir and European design.

Handle also shows signs of long term use so would guess blade and handle belong together.

13th April 2018, 03:05 PM	#1
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Shamshir ID help needed Hi, just came across this shamshir, any ideas on age and or region? Seems to have age, no markings on the blade which seems to be well made but sharpened a lot over time. Thanks for looking and your help! Regards, Erik Attached Images

13th April 2018, 06:19 PM	#2
Roland_M Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 525	Hi Eric, the blade seems to be a European army pattern from ~1750-1850. The crossguard is is borrowed by a Shamshir, the hilt looks like a late Viking or early Medieval long sword. In my humble opinion it is either European work of early 19th., probably older blade with a newer Shamshir like hilt. Or perhaps it comes from Iran. They made very good copies of European blades, preferably French patterns (Khorasani, "Arms and Armor from Iran" page 559-567), sometimes with an European hilt, sometimes with an Oriental hilt. The hilt construction is relatively obviously not intended for battlefield use. I believe, the signs of usage and resharpening happened with the original hilt. Regards, Roland Last edited by Roland_M; 13th April 2018 at 06:30 PM.

13th April 2018, 07:47 PM	#3
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Handle and crossguard have the same type of design with leaves so seem to belong together. Certainly has an European feel to it.

15th April 2018, 08:34 PM	#4
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	No other input? So probably an European mameluke military style sword. In this case a wild combination of shamshir and European design. Handle also shows signs of long term use so would guess blade and handle belong together.