your advice please....

[gp]

not a big one (19 cm total: 10 cm blade and 9 grip/hilt), yet very sharp....
the yataghan-like grip/hilt is made from horn, seperated from the very thick and strong blade by a thin plate of copper ending in the bolster

bought it from a Turkish antique seller in Ankara,
he told me it to be at least 100 years old....
it looks indeed to have that age

and it is for sure Ottoman but from which region ?

it could be Balkan ? but also Ottoman from Anatolia ?
whilst it also reminds me of a pchak from Bukhara or Algerian ( decoration on the blade) ? Contradicting the latter two could be the yataghanish hilt...

Only thing I know is that it has some age, I like it very much but have no clue where its originates from....

So can you enlighten this poor Dutchie please ..?
Thnx a lot

[rickystl]

Sorry I can't help with the description. That is a very neat looking blade. I'm more of a gun guy, but I would have bought it too. Looks like a daily use type knife.

Rick

[Sajen]

Hi Gunar,

I have it's twin in my collection, see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=balkan

I guess, and that's not only my one, that it is a Black Sea knife!

Best regards,
Detlef

[Edster]

Gunar,

I like the copper piece that covers the end of the horn scales, also with Detlef's knife. Nice detail and clever "shim" attachment to the scales.

Ed

[Sajen]

Hello Ed,

It's the first time I see an other one but I can confirm that they are made with care and skill.

Regards,
Detlef

[BBking]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Gunar,

I have it's twin in my collection, see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=balkan

I guess, and that's not only my one, that it is a Black Sea knife!

Best regards,
Detlef

It looks like the small brother of a black sea yatagan !

[gp]

some feedback I got from Turkey :

"most of these are from the first quarter of C 20th, Ottoman Turkish antique belt / sash dagger with unusual steel blade and horn handle.
Blade with a drooping curve in the mid and handle with two flaps at the finish makes the dagger different.
As it is stored and carried in the sash, it is called sash dagger."

although the above makes sense in its description, my doubts concern the lenght...* 18.5cm (7.1/4") in length* ... which would make it easy to drop out of a sash...
in contradiction to the bichaqs which are twice as long...and wouldn't fall out of a belt, sash or otherwise piece of cloth or leather around the waiste

Concerning the Black Sea Yataghan, the typicle Laz handle confuses me...as unlike other Yataghans, where you can find a dagger copy in the bichaq an kama's made , the Black Sea Yataghan has not...or at least I could not find a picture, with the exception of Surmene daggers...


https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPor..._used_by_19th/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DI6HH9iVxI

[gp]

some feedback I got from Turkey :

"most of these are from the first quarter of C 20th, Ottoman Turkish antique belt / sash dagger with unusual steel blade and horn handle.
Blade with a drooping curve in the mid and handle with two flaps at the finish makes the dagger different.
As it is stored and carried in the sash, it is called sash dagger."

although the above makes sense in its description, my doubts concern the lenght...* 18.5cm (7.1/4") in length... which would make it easy to drop out of a sash... in contradiction to the bichaqs which are twice as long and hence not easy to drop from a sash, piece of cloth, leather around the waiste...

Concerning the Black Sea Yataghan, the typicle Laz handle confuses me...as unlike other Yataghans, where you can find a dagger copy in the bichaq an kama's made , the Black Sea Yataghan has not...or at least I could not find a picture, with the exception of Surmene daggers...but they are not Laz ones


https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPor..._used_by_19th/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DI6HH9iVxI

[David R]

For what it's worth, that "shim" style bolster is often seen on Medieval European eating knives. It's a neat and cheap solution for a good looking finish.

[gp]

Originally Posted by David R

For what it's worth, that "shim" style bolster is often seen on Medieval European eating knives. It's a neat and cheap solution for a good looking finish.

thnx a lot... indeed most likely and makes best sense : a nice piece of cutlery.


So at least Detlef and I can have a nice BBQ together this comming summer !

[gp]

just got a new knife / little dagger ; total length 30 cm, knife 26 cm

first thought it might be a Balkan one as many indications point into that direction.

But some of the marks on the blade make me doubt...
as I have not seen them before....
what are your thoughts?
What do you think might be the origin ?


FYI: I got them in a lot of Ottoman bichaqs and knives from te Balkans, but as we know not all that glitters is gold

[gp]

concerning the markings on the blade; just found on a Croatian site on the internet a knife, with this description "BEAUTIFUL DECORATED BLADE CIRCA 1880 MADE IN BOSNIA, TOTAL LENGTH : 25.5cm HANDLE LENGTH : 11.5 cm
BLADE LENGTH : 14 cm BLADE WIDTH : 2.3 cm HANDLE MADE OF HORN/BONE'

how do you judge the markings of mine, the above versus this one ? or do you think it is completely something different ?

[Ian]

Hmm...similar but different I think.

[gp]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Gunar,

I have it's twin in my collection, see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=balkan

I guess, and that's not only my one, that it is a Black Sea knife!

Best regards,
Detlef

to continue our search: just found on a website a kind of copy of our knives
only lacking the winged of V shapped end of the handle / grip

this was the text:

1970's, Ottoman style Turkish belt / sash dagger with carved handle.

21.5cm (8.1/2") in length