19th March 2016, 12:20 AM | #1 |
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Whale Bone Kampilan
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I need info for this Kampilan. Age? description? When was this handguard used? Thanks for all inputs. Oldschldude |
19th March 2016, 02:53 PM | #2 |
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Very nice and great kampilan. I would guess that it is a middle until end of 19th century example. Would like to see the blade cleaned and etched. Also some better and bigger pictures. Can't remember to have seen a guard with chains attached. Maybe a Lumad influence?
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20th March 2016, 02:02 AM | #3 |
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Yes 19c. Needs some restoration and polish and etching. However, whalebone kampilans are hard to find.
Actually Detlef, occasionally Moro kampilans will have 4-in-1 chain maille as part of the hand guard. This is not Lumad but Moro. Good question though..... I also agree that larger pictures and close ups would help tremendously when you get it. |
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Hello Oldschldude and welcome to the forum. I am in total agreement with what Detlef and Jose have already told you. I did though try to get a little more detail out of your photos. Not much better than the originals, but will have to do until you can post better ones after it arrives.
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like said, never seen this before. Can you show samples? Regards, Detlef |
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Here's some new pics. Hope this help..Thanks! P.S. Just got a few questions. Just curious, Why dated mid to late 19th century and not an (late) 18th century sword (I wish). Is it determined by the chain mail used in the guard introduced during that time/ moro armour. Filipino whalers during that time? The wideness of mouth of crocodile on the hilt(shape of hilt)? Shape of blade? Regards, Oldschldude Last edited by oldschldude; 21st March 2016 at 03:29 AM. |
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21st March 2016, 12:34 PM | #8 |
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What a fantastic sword !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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21st March 2016, 04:24 PM | #9 |
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Congratulations! Is a very beautiful sword , the kampilans are my favoutite swords !! And with whale bone ...my envy is great! !!
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22nd March 2016, 12:07 AM | #10 |
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Thanks!
Thanks for everyone's inputs and kind words. Oldschldude.
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And here is another example from the Peabody Museum here in the United States:
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Very nice kampilan and congrats on finding such a good piece. I just have one question. Are you sure this hilt is whalebone? Old wood that has dried out and been "weathered" can look very similar. I'm not seeing the porosity in the hilt material that I associate with whale bone, but I can see a longitudinal "grain" that makes me think this is perhaps wood. Also, the carving has remained very crisp for whale bone, which tends to crumble a bit with repeated handling. The cross guard appears to be wood. Whale bone would also be a rather fragile material on which to hang chain mail. Just a few thoughts. Ian. |
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Thanks for the greetings! Good point there. Yes I'm sure its bone and not wood. I would like to take more close up pictures but its very fragile as the rattan reinforcing the hilt to the guard had already snapped. Although there's a part on the guard where the chain rubbing on the guard had rubbed off the dark patina exposing the bone and polishing the bone. (In one of the pics I already uploaded.) Its also possible to my opinion, that the guard is probably from much stronger part of the whale(or maybe even ivory) hence darker patina and stronger than the hilt as to supporting the chain as you mentioned. Thanks for your reply. Oldscldude. I've edited this reply cause I found more pics in my phone. In one of the pics I attached, the hilt/handle looks like whale bone grain. One of the pics also is a close up. You could zoom into it. This Kamp is just really really old and needs attention but was stored safely for a long time. Thanks again..oldschldude. Last edited by oldschldude; 23rd March 2016 at 09:06 AM. |
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By the look of better pictures, it sure looks bone to me!
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better pics, again.
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31st March 2016, 06:03 PM | #20 |
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Yup that's bone alright!
Great close ups! |
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