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For about a year, I have been interested in the Greek kopis and similar forward curved sword from the Etruscans (I include these Etruscan swords in this thread because of limited number of specimens found). Of course, the falcata is also similar, but I believe it warrants a standalone thread, even though I am among those people that it evolved from the kopis, and not that it is a paralel development).
I invite anyone to post pictures and information (or just express opinions) about these swords. My one request is that we keep it strictly to historical pieces/period depictions. No reproductions please. |
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1 - “Barbarian Cleavers or Greek Swords? Portrayals and Perceptions of Curved Swords in Ancient Greece” - Catherine Parnell, B.A., M.A. (Ph.D. candidate, School of Archaeology, University College Dublin) March 2012
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2 - The Ancient Greek Kopis and Machaira - Catherine Sara Parnell (Trowel Volume XII 2010, pages 120-129)
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3 - Ancient Greek tomb with sword and spearhead found on the Croatian island of Hvar
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5 - Prodromi kopis - found in Prodromi, Epirus Region of Greece, now residing at the Igoumenitsa Archeological Museum
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6 - Dodona Kopis at the National Archaeological Museum of Athens
https://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/am...ia_1_9.html#_8 https://www.flickr.com/photos/101561...n/photostream/ Last edited by Teisani; 9th January 2023 at 03:41 PM. |
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7 - North Macedonian kopis - Republic of North Macedonia
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8 - Unknown kopis - no further info
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9 - Depictions of kopis swords
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10 - More depictions of kopis swords
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Bes and Beset. Late Period of ancient Egypt, 664 BC – 332 BC, Louvre. Note: Looks more like a falcata.
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More Bes. Terracotta statue of the god Bes, god of joy, and later became god of war. Greco-Roman Museum, Alexandria, Egypt.
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Even more Bes. Bes, Egypt, Ptolemaic or Roman periods, terracotta. Martin von Wagner Museum - Würzburg, Germany. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...-_DSC05407.jpg
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How is that snake holding on to that kopis? Answer me ancient Egyptians!
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More thumb-less swords...men?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F..._Aker_wand.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...eum_of_Art.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ters_71510.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...779980542).jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...T_DP112577.jpg Is that cheetah kissing that dude? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...EGDP011956.jpg |
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More kopis
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Sword of king Seuthes III of Odrysia, a part of Thrace (today Bulgaria), between 324 and 312 BC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seuthes_III https://www.facebook.com/BulgariaThr...529364/?type=3 https://zh-cn.facebook.com/Archaeolo...58949051/?_rdr https://www.facebook.com/Archaeology...5849988949018/ https://www.ploshtadslaveikov.com/tr...nite-shlemove/ |
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Now for some Italic peninsula Kopis/Machaira:
Lanuvium machaira. Warrior tomb of Lanuvium, equipment dated to the first quarter of the (~475) 5th century BC. Elements exhibited in the epigraphic section at the Diocletian Baths Museum, which is part of the National Roman Museum (Rome, Lazio, Italy). Length = 81.7cm Width at hilt = 7.5cm Width at blade = 7cm https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...r_Ve_av_JC.jpg https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~dpd/italica/twlanuvium.html http://www.osservatoriocollialbani.i...ia-di-lanuvio/ Last edited by Teisani; 3rd March 2023 at 09:39 AM. |
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Malpasso machaira - From Malpasso Necropolis, Tomb 12 Gualdo Tadino, Umbria, 400-350 BCE. Villa Giulia Museum in Rome.
Length: over 70cm http://www.fabrianostorica.it/storia...rrobattuto.htm https://www.flickr.com/photos/dandiffendale/2183092037 Last edited by Teisani; 3rd March 2023 at 09:25 AM. |
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Piceno machaira (tomb IVb) - 520-470BC Ascoli Piceno, Italy.
https://www.storieparallele.it/piceno-iv-b-apogeo/ |
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Piceno machaira V - 470-385BC Ascoli Piceno, Italy. resides at the "Museo Archeologico Nazionale delle Marche" in Ancona.
https://www.storieparallele.it/piceno-v-il-territorio/ https://legvmac.ru/news/vk_18817/ Last edited by Teisani; 3rd March 2023 at 10:04 AM. |
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Alalia machairas - Aleria, Corsica, France. One of them is 89cm long. Etruscan, 4th century BC?
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Restoration and reproduction manufacture of one Alalia machaira: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1X2FjrWh-I
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Interesting, I did not realize that so many of these had T-section blades.
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Speaking of blade length, the Dodona is ~71cm, the Prodromi is about ~77cm, the Etruscan ones are in the 70-80cm range (some probably longer, ~85cm). So not really "short swords". Another aspect is the false-edge on some kopis examples (presence confirmed in Parnell's article) and complete absence on the Etruscan machairas (due to pipe-back). Now, almost all falcatas seem to have false edges. The only falcatas that I know of that don't, are the Almedinilla falcata (upper) and this other one). The Almedinilla even has some sort of T-spine (you can see the thick spine here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F..._M.A.N._02.jpg). Quite an atypical example. Of course there shoud be others without false-edges that I am not aware of. One more thing is that some might look like the have false edges, but in reality might be just beveling of the spine without an actual edge. Last edited by Teisani; 3rd March 2023 at 03:14 PM. |
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Size comparissons. I think/hope they're to scale.
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More Picene machaira from the "Museo Archeologico Nazionale delle Marche" in Ancona.
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Thanks, great effort!
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