Help to identify this Klewang

mykeris · 8th October 2009, 04:15 AM

Appreciate if you friends could help identify this Klewang which has ended ebay listing yesterday under title: DATED OLD ANTIQUE KLEWANG Indonesian Malayan SWORD KRIS
1295 AH. OWNERS NAME SIGNED ISLAMIC SCRIPT

Be glad if you could focus on:
Origin
The Islamic Script written on the scabbard ( I am unable to identify)

Regards,
Mykeris.

Sajen · 8th October 2009, 11:16 AM

My guess that it is from Sumatra.

sajen

mykeris · 8th October 2009, 11:30 AM

Thanks Sajen, it could not be Minangkabau because handle is Dragon? Could it be Batak? ..I doubt because of the Islamic Script. A Javanese perhaps?

Sajen · 8th October 2009, 03:12 PM

First some of the pictures from the seller.

Sajen · 8th October 2009, 03:22 PM

Hello Mykeris,

I also don't think that it could be Batak, most of the Batak are christian (but not all), the sheat have some affinitys to Aceh. Why do you think it coudn't be Minangkabau? I don't think that it could be javanese but maybe a other option is Lombok?

BTW, it is the wrong place in Keris Warung Kopi.

sajen

David · 8th October 2009, 03:23 PM

Sorry gentleman, but we only discuss keris on this forum so i am transferring this over to the main forum.

Sajen · 8th October 2009, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

Sorry gentleman, but we only discuss keris on this forum so i am transferring this over to the main forum.

Thank's David!

mykeris · 8th October 2009, 04:43 PM

Thanks Sajen, usually Minangkabau's hilt motif would not be of a Dragon but sometihing like horse shoe (tapak kuda). Agree with you, maybe from Acheh. If some of our Malay friends could read the Jawi writing (Islamic script) on the scabbard would be useful.It would solve the problem. I could read only a little. The word Pedang (sword) has been mentioned.

Alam Shah · 8th October 2009, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mykeris

.. from Acheh. If some of our Malay friends could read the Jawi writing (Islamic script) on the scabbard would be useful.It would solve the problem. I could read only a little. The word Pedang (sword) has been mentioned.

The script on the sheath is Acehese works.. The sword type looks like a co jang, but the aesthetics and hilt type is different..

mykeris · 8th October 2009, 05:55 PM

Thats interesting Alam, Thank you. Do you manage to understand whats been written? I am really curious to know what it means.

Thanks in advance for your opinion.

Henk · 8th October 2009, 08:09 PM

I think we definitly can say the scabbard is Aceh. The scabbard is not original to this klewang. The scabbard is a damaged scabbard from a sikin panjang.

The sword is a sumatran pedang with a pamor blade. Lovely pedang, but a bit to expensive. I'm happy for the seller but I feel very very sorry for the buyer

asomotif · 8th October 2009, 11:19 PM

The scabbard is definately sikin panjang / Aceh and not original to the pedang.

This pedang would have a simple wooden scabbard that is oval, close to round in diameter. Maybe with some simple silver bands.

I also notice some traces of red paint on the hilt.
A scabbard could have also been painted red.

I believe the lower jaw of the creature/dragon is missing.
With a complete hilt it would have been worth the price. (imho)
Now it went away rather high, but I can imagine that one would bid such an amount, as it is an original item and in that aspect much better than the poshy crap that is being offered from Medan lately via epray.

Sajen · 9th October 2009, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Now it went away rather high, but I can imagine that one would bid such an amount, as it is an original item and in that aspect much better than the poshy crap that is being offered from Medan lately via epray.

Agree complete!

mykeris · 9th October 2009, 11:14 AM

Thanks and appreciate all your comments. Regards, Mykeris.

VVV · 12th October 2009, 06:05 PM

The only sword hilt like that I have seen documented is in Leiden (499/25), where they say it's from Java.
It's in the catalogue but not in the picture archive?

Michael

8th October 2009, 04:15 AM	#1
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Help to identify this Klewang Appreciate if you friends could help identify this Klewang which has ended ebay listing yesterday under title: DATED OLD ANTIQUE KLEWANG Indonesian Malayan SWORD KRIS 1295 AH. OWNERS NAME SIGNED ISLAMIC SCRIPT Be glad if you could focus on: Origin The Islamic Script written on the scabbard ( I am unable to identify) Regards, Mykeris.

8th October 2009, 03:12 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	First some of the pictures from the seller. Attached Images

8th October 2009, 11:19 PM	#12
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	The scabbard is definately sikin panjang / Aceh and not original to the pedang. This pedang would have a simple wooden scabbard that is oval, close to round in diameter. Maybe with some simple silver bands. I also notice some traces of red paint on the hilt. A scabbard could have also been painted red. I believe the lower jaw of the creature/dragon is missing. With a complete hilt it would have been worth the price. (imho) Now it went away rather high, but I can imagine that one would bid such an amount, as it is an original item and in that aspect much better than the poshy crap that is being offered from Medan lately via epray. Last edited by asomotif; 9th October 2009 at 07:31 AM. Reason: typing errors

8th October 2009, 11:16 AM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	My guess that it is from Sumatra. sajen

8th October 2009, 11:30 AM	#3
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Thanks Sajen, it could not be Minangkabau because handle is Dragon? Could it be Batak? ..I doubt because of the Islamic Script. A Javanese perhaps?

8th October 2009, 03:22 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hello Mykeris, I also don't think that it could be Batak, most of the Batak are christian (but not all), the sheat have some affinitys to Aceh. Why do you think it coudn't be Minangkabau? I don't think that it could be javanese but maybe a other option is Lombok? BTW, it is the wrong place in Keris Warung Kopi. sajen

8th October 2009, 03:23 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,123	Sorry gentleman, but we only discuss keris on this forum so i am transferring this over to the main forum.

8th October 2009, 04:43 PM	#8
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Thanks Sajen, usually Minangkabau's hilt motif would not be of a Dragon but sometihing like horse shoe (tapak kuda). Agree with you, maybe from Acheh. If some of our Malay friends could read the Jawi writing (Islamic script) on the scabbard would be useful.It would solve the problem. I could read only a little. The word Pedang (sword) has been mentioned.

8th October 2009, 05:55 PM	#10
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Thats interesting Alam, Thank you. Do you manage to understand whats been written? I am really curious to know what it means. Thanks in advance for your opinion.

8th October 2009, 08:09 PM	#11
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I think we definitly can say the scabbard is Aceh. The scabbard is not original to this klewang. The scabbard is a damaged scabbard from a sikin panjang. The sword is a sumatran pedang with a pamor blade. Lovely pedang, but a bit to expensive. I'm happy for the seller but I feel very very sorry for the buyer

9th October 2009, 11:14 AM	#14
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Thanks and appreciate all your comments. Regards, Mykeris.

12th October 2009, 06:05 PM	#15
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	The only sword hilt like that I have seen documented is in Leiden (499/25), where they say it's from Java. It's in the catalogue but not in the picture archive? Michael