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Hi
I just purchased the attached Chinese Jian sword. I think it is original, nicely pitted and aged blade 44 cm long, shows evidence of lamination and delamination in spots. Scabard has lots of evidence of lacquer that has come off, handle split all the way through. A few severe bashes and nicks on the blade. Brass is smooth from rubbing where it should be and rough where there has not been much rubbing. Has a nice weight and would work well as a weapon, good balance overall. Hole drilled through the handle The collection I got it from was assembled 30 years or so ago. Is anyone any way familiar with these swords and what they are like. Any idea of age would be appreciated. Cheers Ken |
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Looks authentic to me. These are fairly common, as far as antique jian go. These are usually late 19th century, and the ones in the West usually went there as tourist souvenirs.
They vary enormously in quality, with some having superb sanmei blades, and others having - judging by really deep nicks in them, probably from children or adult children playing with them - unhardened blades. Ones with angular tips rather than rounded tips are more likely to have low quality blades. Mine are in the attached photo. From left to right: 385g and sanmei, 310g with re-made scabbard, 435g with plain mounts, 365g and looking very tourist-souvenir, both sword and scabbard. |
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HiTimo
Thanks for info, outside my collecting area but I taught it looked interesting. As the blade is made of laminated steel I would have taught it would then by default be of good quality. I might try an etch to see what lies beneath. Regards Ken |
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It is likely that much older blades fitted-up in this style of mounts (which appear to have been widely produced) may have had a talismanic purpose, as it was the custom to hang a jian over a baby's cradle as spiritual protection (the Manchus preferred a small saber with a money-pouch for the purpose). Families which had no sword or couldn't afford one typically used a faux jian made from copper coins attached to an iron rod. |
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"Jian" in this length is generally considered as "文房剑",which could roughly translate into "swords of the study room" and serve as playable art crafts,talismanic item,and perhaps(in those cases the sword would have a shorter blade)cutting paper and e.t.c.,which also means as products,these swords mainly targerts rich people,so perhaps not a purely weapon design.
Back to the sword itself,I'm not familiar with this type to judge its age,but it actually has a very good set of fitting.In these days,It's not even easy to find a decent reproduce of it. |
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You have given me a whole new area to research there, thank you for this. Also explains these nice but not very functional Jian that turn up from time to time.
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Thanks all for the information
I will try and etch the sword to see if i can bring up the lamination better regards Ken |
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Try and get the attention of Gavin Nugent at swordsandantiqueweapons.com, this is an area he excels at.
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Hi,
I just looked at his web site and the header has the following message "Please know, that due to ill health, all sales and website trading are currently suspended, It is unknown as to when, or if at all, trading will continue." Bit upset at this as I have dealt with and spoken with Gavin and he was always very gentlemanly to deal with. Gavin if you read this I wish you well, regards, Ken |
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Hi David,
No problem at all, thanks for the heads up. Ken |
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Have a look here for information on Jian. I have found them very helpful and informative in the past.
https://forum.grtc.org/viewforum.php...4930a017c7832e |
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