Advice wanted

Sajen · 7th March 2010, 02:19 PM

I have this keris since years, the blade have been very rusty, the sheat is missing it buntut and it haven't had a handle when I get it and the sheat was painted brown. Now I started to restore it, first I have cleaned the blade because I want to see if a restoration is worthwhile. The iras blade look good after the cleaning and so I cleaned the sheat also.
I am unsure if it is a pure Bugis keris since the gandar is very flat oval and so I want to ask you if you think that this very old sumatran ivory Jawa Deman handle would be adequat for this keris.
Second question, what do you think have to look the buntut? I want to carve a new one from black horn.

Many thank's in advance,

Detlef

BluErf · 7th March 2010, 03:38 PM

I think this is a Straits Bugis keris. A regular Riau-style jawa demam would be perfect.

The sheath would probably liven up after some oiling and buffing with wax.

The buntut can just be a flat simple oval piece that is slightly larger than the batang. If the inward taper due to wear and tear at the end of the batang bothers you, maybe you can have a silver buntut made with an extension to cover that part.

Sajen · 7th March 2010, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf

I think this is a Straits Bugis keris. A regular Riau-style jawa demam would be perfect.

The sheath would probably liven up after some oiling and buffing with wax.

The buntut can just be a flat simple oval piece that is slightly larger than the batang. If the inward taper due to wear and tear at the end of the batang bothers you, maybe you can have a silver buntut made with an extension to cover that part.

Hello Kai Wee,

thank you very much. What you think about the hilt in the picture? And what you think about the pendokok? The problem is that the pesi is very large and this is nearly the only hilt I have in my collection which I can attach.

A flat buntut would be possible, I can cut the batang/gandar a little bit that the wear isn't visible anymore, the blade have enough place.
Of course the sheat will get a covering with shellac to come back to old glory.

And the blade will get a decent stain.

Best,

Detlef

GIO · 8th March 2010, 04:19 PM

It is a pity the selut is too big

. The hilt is wonderful

You can find an image of a kris from Minangkabau with the same hilt and wrangka in Jensen's Krisdisk. (cap. 9.2 page 20 fig. 161 a).

BluErf · 8th March 2010, 04:23 PM

well, the problem is I have never really seen what sort of keris sheath and blade goes with the hilt you have posted.

so I'm not sure about it. Also, based on my experience, the regular Riau jawa demam should be ok, but you probably have to find one of sufficient girth. A taller pendoko could be useful in fitting the hilt onto the long pesi.

David · 8th March 2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

A taller pendoko could be useful in fitting the hilt onto the long pesi.

I would say that if you were to use this hilt you would want to find a different pendoko anyway because this one doesn't seem to fit the hilt properly.

Sajen · 8th March 2010, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GIO

It is a pity the selut is too big

. The hilt is wonderful

You can find an image of a kris from Minangkabau with the same hilt and wrangka in Jensen's Krisdisk. (cap. 9.2 page 20 fig. 161 a).

Hello Gio,

thank's for the compliment about the hilt. I found a other pendokok for this hilt, picture will follow. The sheat in Jensen's Krisdisk is different, it a pure Minangkabau sheat.

Sajen · 8th March 2010, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf

well, the problem is I have never really seen what sort of keris sheath and blade goes with the hilt you have posted.

so I'm not sure about it. Also, based on my experience, the regular Riau jawa demam should be ok, but you probably have to find one of sufficient girth. A taller pendoko could be useful in fitting the hilt onto the long pesi.

Hello Kai Wee,

you can show me which type of hilt you exactly mean? Thank's in advance,

Detlef

Sajen · 8th March 2010, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

I would say that if you were to use this hilt you would want to find a different pendoko anyway because this one doesn't seem to fit the hilt properly.

Hello David,

what do you think about this pendokok? It's very similar but a little bit more small in diameter.

BluErf · 9th March 2010, 12:46 AM

It's this type.

Sajen · 9th March 2010, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf

It's this type.

Thank's, now I know what you mean!

Sajen · 28th March 2010, 09:55 PM

The restoration of the sheat is finished. The last picture shows the keris with hilt. Until I don't have found a hilt like Kai Wee have shown this one will be the placeholder.

danny1976 · 28th March 2010, 11:34 PM

Hi Detlef,

Nice restore.

What did u use on the wranka , oil or lacker ?

Sajen · 29th March 2010, 12:36 AM

Hi Danny,

thank's! It's shellac.

Sajen · 25th April 2010, 12:33 AM

It seems that the picture in #12 is gone by what reason however. So here again!

BluErf · 25th April 2010, 03:26 AM

Proportion-wise, the hilt is too tall and colunmnar for the keris.

Sajen · 25th April 2010, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf

Proportion-wise, the hilt is too tall and colunmnar for the keris.

You're right by this, when I look at the picture it's the same impression in my mind.

Will look for a other one, the problem is the big pesi.

Sajen · 8th September 2010, 11:23 PM

I think that this is the best hilt from my collection I can give the keris.

What do you think?

BigG · 9th September 2010, 12:02 AM

Sajen, well done! That a very good effort at restoring your sheath. Your cross piece is made from very good kemuning wood. The grains and chatoyance is wonderful. Your stem is sena and is good too. It is a pity that you do not have access to good craftsmen where you are... Very good effort indeed.

I would like to suggest that instead of the rounded shaped that you have used for the Buntut, you should instead used the one shown below. It should follow the shape of and slightly bigger then the stem.

To help you you can refer to the photos I have included below. The bottom view is on the left and the side view is on the right..

BigG · 9th September 2010, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

I think that this is the best hilt from my collection I can give the keris.

What do you think?

Under the circmstances... its great... congrats again for a worthwhile effort...

BluErf · 9th September 2010, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

I think that this is the best hilt from my collection I can give the keris.

What do you think?

This looks great!

Yes, keep it this way, Sajen.

Sajen · 9th September 2010, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigG

Sajen, well done! That a very good effort at restoring your sheath. Your cross piece is made from very good kemuning wood. The grains and chatoyance is wonderful. Your stem is sena and is good too. It is a pity that you do not have access to good craftsmen where you are... Very good effort indeed.

I would like to suggest that instead of the rounded shaped that you have used for the Buntut, you should instead used the one shown below. It should follow the shape of and slightly bigger then the stem.

To help you you can refer to the photos I have included below. The bottom view is on the left and the side view is on the right..

BigG,

thank you for your kind words!

The Buntut is worked a little bit higher because I want to cover the wear at the end of the stem, look the pics in up.
When you look from down the shape followed the shape of the stem.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 9th September 2010, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluErf

This looks great!

Yes, keep it this way, Sajen.

Thank you Kai Wee!

BigG · 9th September 2010, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

BigG,

thank you for your kind words!

The Buntut is worked a little bit higher because I want to cover the wear at the end of the stem, look the pics in up.
When you look from down the shape followed the shape of the stem.

Regards,

Detlef

Rite its mor clearer now... good job...

9th March 2010, 12:46 AM	#10
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	It's this type. Attached Images

25th April 2010, 12:33 AM	#15
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	It seems that the picture in #12 is gone by what reason however. So here again! Attached Images

8th September 2010, 11:23 PM	#18
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	I think that this is the best hilt from my collection I can give the keris. What do you think? Attached Images

9th September 2010, 12:02 AM	#19
BigG Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Singapore Posts: 75	Sajen, well done! That a very good effort at restoring your sheath. Your cross piece is made from very good kemuning wood. The grains and chatoyance is wonderful. Your stem is sena and is good too. It is a pity that you do not have access to good craftsmen where you are... Very good effort indeed. I would like to suggest that instead of the rounded shaped that you have used for the Buntut, you should instead used the one shown below. It should follow the shape of and slightly bigger then the stem. To help you you can refer to the photos I have included below. The bottom view is on the left and the side view is on the right.. Attached Images

7th March 2010, 02:19 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Advice wanted I have this keris since years, the blade have been very rusty, the sheat is missing it buntut and it haven't had a handle when I get it and the sheat was painted brown. Now I started to restore it, first I have cleaned the blade because I want to see if a restoration is worthwhile. The iras blade look good after the cleaning and so I cleaned the sheat also. I am unsure if it is a pure Bugis keris since the gandar is very flat oval and so I want to ask you if you think that this very old sumatran ivory Jawa Deman handle would be adequat for this keris. Second question, what do you think have to look the buntut? I want to carve a new one from black horn. Many thank's in advance, Detlef Attached Images

7th March 2010, 03:38 PM	#2
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I think this is a Straits Bugis keris. A regular Riau-style jawa demam would be perfect. The sheath would probably liven up after some oiling and buffing with wax. The buntut can just be a flat simple oval piece that is slightly larger than the batang. If the inward taper due to wear and tear at the end of the batang bothers you, maybe you can have a silver buntut made with an extension to cover that part.

8th March 2010, 04:19 PM	#4
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 313	It is a pity the selut is too big . The hilt is wonderful You can find an image of a kris from Minangkabau with the same hilt and wrangka in Jensen's Krisdisk. (cap. 9.2 page 20 fig. 161 a).

8th March 2010, 04:23 PM	#5
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	well, the problem is I have never really seen what sort of keris sheath and blade goes with the hilt you have posted. so I'm not sure about it. Also, based on my experience, the regular Riau jawa demam should be ok, but you probably have to find one of sufficient girth. A taller pendoko could be useful in fitting the hilt onto the long pesi.

28th March 2010, 09:55 PM	#12
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	The restoration of the sheat is finished. The last picture shows the keris with hilt. Until I don't have found a hilt like Kai Wee have shown this one will be the placeholder. Attached Images

28th March 2010, 11:34 PM	#13
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hi Detlef, Nice restore. What did u use on the wranka , oil or lacker ?

29th March 2010, 12:36 AM	#14
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,779	Hi Danny, thank's! It's shellac.

25th April 2010, 03:26 AM	#16
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Proportion-wise, the hilt is too tall and colunmnar for the keris.