Execution sword ???

Cotoroanta · 30th December 2023, 08:16 PM

Hello and respect for all members. I need a little help for an identification of this blade. Has an unusual shape, and also an interesting mark on the blade ET VERBVUM CARO FACTVM EST and a sugestive image of an execution. The handle I think it was change many years ago. Thank you in advance for any information.

Interested Party · 31st December 2023, 12:54 PM

The blade reminds me of a hay knife. Not that it is or rather was, just the steps are similar.

milandro · 31st December 2023, 01:02 PM

I am sorry to say but this screams " modern fantasy weapon" , at least, to me.

the motto is also a well known one

it means the " word" (of G-D) has become flesh

a quick search reveals a few supposed execution sword , very different from your example, which are supposedly dated 17th century,i have my doubts on those too but at the very least those weapons look like the accepted version of an execution sword (a sharp and long edge sword with a rounded, not sharp, tip).

I invite you to reflect upon the fact that if anything NO execution blade could ever have a jagged edge ( at least not in the ancient act of justice) because it would be an effective weapon for a short, swift cut.

Similarly, this blade is far too short to have ever been used for a swift cut, for the same reason these blade (the real ones are extremely rare) would need to be long to create the necessary momentum.

I am absolutely convinced the example above is a modern blade

IT may be, as suggested a repurposed agricultural tool, but the addition of the motto is certainly done with the intent to deceive

Ian · 31st December 2023, 01:18 PM

Hi Cotoroanta,

Welcome to the Forum!

Your item looks to have a very heavy blade, crudely/poorly forged, and I doubt that the blade is very sharp. I agree with IP that it resembles a hay knife.

As far as an instrument for execution, it would be necessary to bludgeon someone to death with it. Neither the point or the edge are likely to fatally wound a person unless used with extreme force. That large hilt has a nice piece of crown stag antler. The D-guard is superfluous for an execution item.

fernando · 31st December 2023, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Interested Party

The blade reminds me of a hay knife. Not that it is or rather was, just the steps are similar.

Ditto !

Gavin Nugent · 1st January 2024, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Ditto !

Another for the EU or Miscellaneous forum.

fernando · 1st January 2024, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Gavin Nugent

Another for the EU or Miscellaneous forum.

Yes; Miscellania forum will be its place. This will join the one i once had, in its complete configuration, which i (also) didn't know what its purpose was.

Jim McDougall · 2nd January 2024, 06:03 PM

Gotta say, this one is REALLY creative! though its grim intent. The inscribed 'scene' is well done from some notable resource, reminds me a bit of Wagner (1967) in a similar illustration. Would never have thought of a hay cutting tool.

Copycat · 2nd January 2024, 09:34 PM

Lol. The man in the drawing is holding a serrated sword.

milandro · 3rd January 2024, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Copycat

Lol. The man in the drawing is holding a serrated sword.

a serrated edge ( which is different from a flamberge ), is absolutely meant to be used in a alternated motion , think of a bread knife.

the image shows a blade used with two hands (this one can't, it is too short) . In my view a total work of fantasy

Copycat · 3rd January 2024, 10:34 AM

Yes. Crude fantasy. But the effort and attention in the detail is just funny.

milandro · 3rd January 2024, 02:21 PM

several threads recently started by this new member have been closed .

Almost all show pieces more or less crudely made which seem to be all " mysterious".

He may have a great talent to find the odd and Mysterious or there is something else going on

fernando · 3rd January 2024, 04:19 PM

Threads closed in view of author's attempt to enquire on countless pieces still in active commercial venues.

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30th December 2023, 08:16 PM	#1
Cotoroanta Member Join Date: Dec 2023 Posts: 23	Execution sword ??? Hello and respect for all members. I need a little help for an identification of this blade. Has an unusual shape, and also an interesting mark on the blade ET VERBVUM CARO FACTVM EST and a sugestive image of an execution. The handle I think it was change many years ago. Thank you in advance for any information. Attached Images

31st December 2023, 01:02 PM	#3
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 470	I am sorry to say but this screams " modern fantasy weapon" , at least, to me. the motto is also a well known one it means the " word" (of G-D) has become flesh a quick search reveals a few supposed execution sword , very different from your example, which are supposedly dated 17th century,i have my doubts on those too but at the very least those weapons look like the accepted version of an execution sword (a sharp and long edge sword with a rounded, not sharp, tip). I invite you to reflect upon the fact that if anything NO execution blade could ever have a jagged edge ( at least not in the ancient act of justice) because it would be an effective weapon for a short, swift cut. Similarly, this blade is far too short to have ever been used for a swift cut, for the same reason these blade (the real ones are extremely rare) would need to be long to create the necessary momentum. I am absolutely convinced the example above is a modern blade IT may be, as suggested a repurposed agricultural tool, but the addition of the motto is certainly done with the intent to deceive Last edited by milandro; 31st December 2023 at 01:43 PM.

3rd January 2024, 04:19 PM	#13
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Threads closed in view of author's attempt to enquire on countless pieces still in active commercial venues. . Last edited by fernando; 3rd January 2024 at 05:11 PM.

31st December 2023, 12:54 PM	#2
Interested Party Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Eastern Sierra Posts: 461	The blade reminds me of a hay knife. Not that it is or rather was, just the steps are similar.

31st December 2023, 01:18 PM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,191	Hi Cotoroanta, Welcome to the Forum! Your item looks to have a very heavy blade, crudely/poorly forged, and I doubt that the blade is very sharp. I agree with IP that it resembles a hay knife. As far as an instrument for execution, it would be necessary to bludgeon someone to death with it. Neither the point or the edge are likely to fatally wound a person unless used with extreme force. That large hilt has a nice piece of crown stag antler. The D-guard is superfluous for an execution item.

2nd January 2024, 06:03 PM	#8
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,934	Gotta say, this one is REALLY creative! though its grim intent. The inscribed 'scene' is well done from some notable resource, reminds me a bit of Wagner (1967) in a similar illustration. Would never have thought of a hay cutting tool.

2nd January 2024, 09:34 PM	#9
Copycat Member Join Date: Apr 2023 Posts: 38	Lol. The man in the drawing is holding a serrated sword.

3rd January 2024, 10:34 AM	#11
Copycat Member Join Date: Apr 2023 Posts: 38	Yes. Crude fantasy. But the effort and attention in the detail is just funny.

3rd January 2024, 02:21 PM	#12
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 470	several threads recently started by this new member have been closed . Almost all show pieces more or less crudely made which seem to be all " mysterious". He may have a great talent to find the odd and Mysterious or there is something else going on