Pamor Kris (Heritage Kris)

[Bugis Keris]

Prestige of the keris world has three (3 ) kinds of sense .

The first concerns the material of manufacture ; for example : meteorite pamor Luwu , nickel prestige , and prestige relatives .
Second sense it comes to form a picture or pattern forms. For example : prestige Ngulit Watermelon , Rice Wutah , Ri Wader , Adeg , and so on .
Third , concerns about manufacturing techniques , for example : mlumah prestige , prestige oblique , and the prestige of torsion .


In addition, the terms of the master's intentions , prestige pattern which could still be subdivided into two groups . If the master makes fame kris no pattern, then the pattern is called pamor prestige tiban . One would assume the shape of the pattern prestige a gift from God .
Conversely , if the master had designed the pla prominence , called prestige colleagues [ rékan is derived from the word réka = engineering ] . Example tiban prestige , for example : Rice wutah , Ngulit Watermelon , Pulo Tirta . Examples of peer prestige , for example : Udan Mas , Ron Genduru , Blarak Sinered , and Untu Walang .

There is another called surrogate or prestige prestige ceblokan , namely pamor following its manufacture , after a keris completed 90 percent . Pamor pattern following the end of the process of making the keris .

[David]

Originally Posted by Bugis Keris

for example : meteorite pamor Luwu , nickel prestige , and prestige relatives.

I would like to point out that pamor Luwu is not meteorite. It is pamor material that comes from Sulawesi and tends to have a high nickel content. But it is completely terrestrial.
Bugis Keris, are you using some kind of online translator? While i truly appreciate your attempts to communicate with us many of you words are a bit nonsensical in the context presented. The word "prestige" seems to pop up a lot, but i have no idea what you mean by this. I don't know much about online translators, but maybe someone could suggest one that does a better job with the Indonesian language.

[Bugis Keris]

Originally Posted by David

I would like to point out that pamor Luwu is not meteorite. It is pamor material that comes from Sulawesi and tends to have a high nickel content. But it is completely terrestrial.
Bugis Keris, are you using some kind of online translator? While i truly appreciate your attempts to communicate with us many of you words are a bit nonsensical in the context presented. The word "prestige" seems to pop up a lot, but i have no idea what you mean by this. I don't know much about online translators, but maybe someone could suggest one that does a better job with the Indonesian language.

Hello
sorry i have google translate.
but something is wrong.that you must know the old language from history culture of course is so difficult to understanding.

Thank YOu

[Caedo]

Originally Posted by David

I would like to point out that pamor Luwu is not meteorite. It is pamor material that comes from Sulawesi and tends to have a high nickel content. But it is completely terrestrial.
Bugis Keris, are you using some kind of online translator? While i truly appreciate your attempts to communicate with us many of you words are a bit nonsensical in the context presented. The word "prestige" seems to pop up a lot, but i have no idea what you mean by this. I don't know much about online translators, but maybe someone could suggest one that does a better job with the Indonesian language.

"Prestige" is the online translator rendering of pamor.

[Caedo]

Originally Posted by Bugis Keris

Prestige of the keris world has three (3 ) kinds of sense .

The first concerns the material of manufacture ; for example : meteorite pamor Luwu , nickel prestige , and prestige relatives .
Second sense it comes to form a picture or pattern forms. For example : prestige Ngulit Watermelon , Rice Wutah , Ri Wader , Adeg , and so on .
Third , concerns about manufacturing techniques , for example : mlumah prestige , prestige oblique , and the prestige of torsion .


In addition, the terms of the master's intentions , prestige pattern which could still be subdivided into two groups . If the master makes fame kris no pattern, then the pattern is called pamor prestige tiban . One would assume the shape of the pattern prestige a gift from God .
Conversely , if the master had designed the pla prominence , called prestige colleagues [ rékan is derived from the word réka = engineering ] . Example tiban prestige , for example : Rice wutah , Ngulit Watermelon , Pulo Tirta . Examples of peer prestige , for example : Udan Mas , Ron Genduru , Blarak Sinered , and Untu Walang .

There is another called surrogate or prestige prestige ceblokan , namely pamor following its manufacture , after a keris completed 90 percent . Pamor pattern following the end of the process of making the keris .

If I understand him correctly, Bugis Keris is saying the following:

There are three aspects to pamor. The first refers to the materials used to create it (meteoric iron/nickel, terrestrial nickel, and other materials). The second refers to whether the pattern was intentional (pamor rékan) or unintentional (pamor tiban). The third aspect refers to the smithing technique required to create a particular pattern.

He also mentions pamor ceblokan (encrusted pamor) which (I believe) refers to the addition of, say, gold to enhance parts of a blade. This is a term I hadn't heard before, so I learned something.

[David]

Originally Posted by Caedo

"Prestige" is the online translator rendering of pamor.

Weird! Thanks Caedo.

[David]

Originally Posted by Caedo

He also mentions pamor ceblokan (encrusted pamor) which (I believe) refers to the addition of, say, gold to enhance parts of a blade

Caedo, i doubt that. Gold enhancements (kinatah) would never be considered "pamor". Lord knows how google translator would convert "kinatah".
Ceblokan pamor (also sometimes called "titipan") is just as he described, pamor material that is added when the keris is 90% finished, hammered on top so to speak. Nothing to do with gold.

[Caedo]

Originally Posted by David

Caedo, i doubt that. Gold enhancements (kinatah) would never be considered "pamor". Lord knows how google translator would convert "kinatah".
Ceblokan pamor (also sometimes called "titipan") is just as he described, pamor material that is added when the keris is 90% finished, hammered on top so to speak. Nothing to do with gold.

Ah. Thank you for the clarification. Honestly, my first thought when I read the original post was that pamor ceblokan referred to something like acid etching or other treatments to create the appearance of pamor. I have seen such things done to pedang (sword) and kujang blades, but I didn't/don't know the terminology.

I've never seen ceblokan pamor, I guess. How would one recognize it?

[David]

Originally Posted by Caedo

I've never seen ceblokan pamor, I guess. How would one recognize it?

You probably have seen it without realizing it. Perhaps members with examples could post some images for you here.
This thread might be helpful.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15195