Yataghan translation and origin

10thRoyal · 26th April 2021, 03:07 PM

Good afternoon y'all, I recently came into possession of a fairly nice yataghan which appears to have a long and hard life. It appears that blade may have been a bit thicker and longer but was ground down to damage or wear. The blade is still very sharp for sure. My knowledge of Ottoman script is nonexistent but my research skills are a bit better. The date inscription seems to point to a manufacture date of 1182 by the Hijri Calendar meaning 1768 by the Gregorian. The handwriting ability of the blade smith is about as good as my translation skills which isn't saying much. All I can maybe decipher is "Made by Kareem/Karem/Kerem"??? Though this may be completely wrong. One additional note is that a tag came on the sword saying it was purchased in 1971 in Sarajevo. I'd appreciate any info y'all might be able to clean from the images.

10thRoyal · 4th May 2021, 04:43 AM

Any help y'all might be able to offer would be welcome.

Ian · 4th May 2021, 03:18 PM

Hi 10thRoyal. Welcome to the Forum. I'm no expert on Islamic inscriptions but there are certainly people here who are. Hopefully, one of them will be along shortly to assist you. Good to see you here.

Ian.

kwiatek · 5th May 2021, 04:45 PM

The inscriptions are

عمل محرم

'Work of Muharram (Muharrem in Turkish spelling)"

صاحب محمود پاشا سنه ١١٨٢

"The owner Mahmud Pasha. Year 1182 (1768-9)"

10thRoyal · 5th May 2021, 06:41 PM

Hi kwiatek, that certainly would be interesting to have this be owned by someone as high level as a pasha. The location that this yataghan was found and the general time frame do line up with Kara Mahmud Pasha and Mehmed Pasha Bushati governing parts of the area. Looking back through the forum history, I believe I've found another example of Muharrem's work!

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14536

10thRoyal · 26th May 2021, 04:52 PM

After doing a bit more digging, is there any evidence that yataghan's or similar ottoman blades would be inscribed as belonging to the regional governor or official versus the actual owner/wielder of the weapon? For example, theoretically this blade "belongs" to Mahmud Pasha in that it was part of his arsenal and issued to one of his men?

26th April 2021, 03:07 PM	#1
10thRoyal Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 78	Yataghan translation and origin Good afternoon y'all, I recently came into possession of a fairly nice yataghan which appears to have a long and hard life. It appears that blade may have been a bit thicker and longer but was ground down to damage or wear. The blade is still very sharp for sure. My knowledge of Ottoman script is nonexistent but my research skills are a bit better. The date inscription seems to point to a manufacture date of 1182 by the Hijri Calendar meaning 1768 by the Gregorian. The handwriting ability of the blade smith is about as good as my translation skills which isn't saying much. All I can maybe decipher is "Made by Kareem/Karem/Kerem"??? Though this may be completely wrong. One additional note is that a tag came on the sword saying it was purchased in 1971 in Sarajevo. I'd appreciate any info y'all might be able to clean from the images. Attached Images

4th May 2021, 04:43 AM	#2
10thRoyal Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 78	Any help y'all might be able to offer would be welcome.

4th May 2021, 03:18 PM	#3
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,203	Hi 10thRoyal. Welcome to the Forum. I'm no expert on Islamic inscriptions but there are certainly people here who are. Hopefully, one of them will be along shortly to assist you. Good to see you here. Ian.

5th May 2021, 04:45 PM	#4
kwiatek Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 153	The inscriptions are عمل محرم 'Work of Muharram (Muharrem in Turkish spelling)" صاحب محمود پاشا سنه ١١٨٢ "The owner Mahmud Pasha. Year 1182 (1768-9)"

5th May 2021, 06:41 PM	#5
10thRoyal Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 78	Hi kwiatek, that certainly would be interesting to have this be owned by someone as high level as a pasha. The location that this yataghan was found and the general time frame do line up with Kara Mahmud Pasha and Mehmed Pasha Bushati governing parts of the area. Looking back through the forum history, I believe I've found another example of Muharrem's work! http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14536

26th May 2021, 04:52 PM	#6
10thRoyal Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 78	After doing a bit more digging, is there any evidence that yataghan's or similar ottoman blades would be inscribed as belonging to the regional governor or official versus the actual owner/wielder of the weapon? For example, theoretically this blade "belongs" to Mahmud Pasha in that it was part of his arsenal and issued to one of his men?