Ottoman shield with German tokens

erlikhan · 1st May 2009, 11:01 PM

Hi. Newly acquired small size -supposed to be Ottoman- shield,or buckler. Covered with coins or tokens of which i tried to show details in pictures. They all look same. I partially read them and searched the inscription LUD.LAUER*RECH on internet.The search resulted with this link; http://www.ancientpeddler.com/apgall...bum=210&pos=13 . There they are described as a 14th-17th or 16th-17th centuries German token. Can anybody give more details like exactly of which century or for what purpose this "token" was used,or make correction if the info i got is wrong ? Wear to all materials,wood,leather,fabric,iron on both front and the back of the shield looks in harmony well enough with the possibility of having quite a few century age . Built of iron pieces covered onto wood, strenghtened edges with iron plates, with weaved leather holding straps and hand pad. I have seen similar shields in international auctions with German coins described as the coins having been war trophies and getting nailed onto the shields by soldiers to commemorate the victory as a Turkish tradition, but simple brass tokens could have such a pretentious symbolism too? Perhaps it was more clever to spend gold and silver coins and to sacrifice just these tokens of the loot for the purpose

The shield looks practically not trustable in a battle, against muskets, swords,arrows.. The main idea of not only nailing the coins onto, but making whole shield was only symbolical? I have acquired 3 of these bucklers all quite similar in model and condition, two with German tokens and one with Ottoman coins. This is the best looking one.

regards

erlikhan · 1st May 2009, 11:24 PM

More pictures.. Especially, more certain dating to the tokens is requested please..

Emanuel · 2nd May 2009, 01:04 AM

Hi Erlikhan,

Interesting shield. Jetons were used as medals and coin currency for some time, 16th century is the earliest I've seen, up to the early 20th. At some point they became a sort of toy money I understand.

The jetons on your shield bear the name of the Ludwig Lauer mint in Nuremberg, founded in 1790. Two names are associated with the mint, Ludwig Christoph Lauer (1817-1873), and his grandfather and founder of the mint, Ernst Ludwig Lauer (1762-1845). Google these names, a lot of examples come up.

Hope this helps.
Emanuel

Edit: I've found the mention of "game counters" and "spiel marke" as well.

ariel · 2nd May 2009, 02:44 AM

Ottoman?
Looks kind of Ethiopian... Wrong?

erlikhan · 2nd May 2009, 09:06 AM

Manolo thank you,i didnt know the relation between lud-ludwig .I google it together with the word coin results a mint company established in 1790. Perhaps sites in German could provide more details.. But if they are from earliest 1790s, who has nailed them to a buckler? Such a buckler would be of any use against 19th century weapons? . There is some serious labor spent on this buckler.

Ariel, further examples in the links i will show here look even more similar to Ethiopians in shape but they are quiet often found here in Anatolia Turkey, and usually they have been called as Ottoman origin like:

described as 17th century Turkish buckler,
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=3584

same model with upper link, this time having exactly the same German tokens of mine
http://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetai...2550302&aiid=2

http://www.czernys.com/auctions_lot....=34023&asta=24

in hermann-historica there are several more with coins from different auctions but i am unable to get their links. They describe Ottoman and/or Caucassian as origin.

I think it was some kind of a fashion once, but which century is that 'once'?

Ascalon · 2nd May 2009, 01:52 PM

You can find exactly the same buckler in "islamic weapons" Anthony c Tirri p121
fig 64: Ottoman bucklers with Nurnberg coins nailed on as trophy. 17th century

1st May 2009, 11:01 PM	#1
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Ottoman buckler with German tokens Hi. Newly acquired small size -supposed to be Ottoman- shield,or buckler. Covered with coins or tokens of which i tried to show details in pictures. They all look same. I partially read them and searched the inscription LUD.LAUERRECH on internet.The search resulted with this link; http://www.ancientpeddler.com/apgall...bum=210&pos=13 . There they are described as a 14th-17th or 16th-17th centuries German token. Can anybody give more details like exactly of which century or for what purpose this "token" was used,or make correction if the info i got is wrong ? Wear to all materials,wood,leather,fabric,iron on both front and the back of the shield looks in harmony well enough with the possibility of having quite a few century age . Built of iron pieces covered onto wood, strenghtened edges with iron plates, with weaved leather holding straps and hand pad. I have seen similar shields in international auctions with German coins described as the coins having been war trophies and getting nailed onto the shields by soldiers to commemorate the victory as a Turkish tradition, but simple brass tokens could have such a pretentious symbolism too? Perhaps it was more clever to spend gold and silver coins and to sacrifice just these tokens of the loot for the purpose The shield looks practically not trustable in a battle, against muskets, swords,arrows.. The main idea of not only nailing the coins onto, but making whole shield was only symbolical? I have acquired 3 of these bucklers all quite similar in model and condition, two with German tokens and one with Ottoman coins. This is the best looking one. regards Attached Images Last edited by erlikhan; 2nd May 2009 at 10:31 AM.*

1st May 2009, 11:24 PM	#2
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	More pictures.. Especially, more certain dating to the tokens is requested please.. Attached Images

2nd May 2009, 01:04 AM	#3
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Hi Erlikhan, Interesting shield. Jetons were used as medals and coin currency for some time, 16th century is the earliest I've seen, up to the early 20th. At some point they became a sort of toy money I understand. The jetons on your shield bear the name of the Ludwig Lauer mint in Nuremberg, founded in 1790. Two names are associated with the mint, Ludwig Christoph Lauer (1817-1873), and his grandfather and founder of the mint, Ernst Ludwig Lauer (1762-1845). Google these names, a lot of examples come up. Hope this helps. Emanuel Edit: I've found the mention of "game counters" and "spiel marke" as well. Last edited by Manolo; 2nd May 2009 at 02:46 AM.

2nd May 2009, 09:06 AM	#5
erlikhan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Istanbul Posts: 452	Manolo thank you,i didnt know the relation between lud-ludwig .I google it together with the word coin results a mint company established in 1790. Perhaps sites in German could provide more details.. But if they are from earliest 1790s, who has nailed them to a buckler? Such a buckler would be of any use against 19th century weapons? . There is some serious labor spent on this buckler. Ariel, further examples in the links i will show here look even more similar to Ethiopians in shape but they are quiet often found here in Anatolia Turkey, and usually they have been called as Ottoman origin like: described as 17th century Turkish buckler, http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=3584 same model with upper link, this time having exactly the same German tokens of mine http://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetai...2550302&aiid=2 http://www.czernys.com/auctions_lot....=34023&asta=24 in hermann-historica there are several more with coins from different auctions but i am unable to get their links. They describe Ottoman and/or Caucassian as origin. I think it was some kind of a fashion once, but which century is that 'once'? Last edited by erlikhan; 2nd May 2009 at 10:32 AM.

2nd May 2009, 02:44 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Ottoman? Looks kind of Ethiopian... Wrong?

2nd May 2009, 01:52 PM	#6
Ascalon Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France Posts: 45	You can find exactly the same buckler in "islamic weapons" Anthony c Tirri p121 fig 64: Ottoman bucklers with Nurnberg coins nailed on as trophy. 17th century