Tenegre? bolo for comment

Justin · 24th September 2005, 06:37 PM

First off let me apologize for the horrible pics in this thread and the other few that Im putting up.

Wood hilt and sheath,fairly typical sword I think,probably WW2ish,let me know what you think.

blade is 17.5in long,oa:22in.

Federico · 24th September 2005, 10:58 PM

Kampilan like blade Binangon? I dunno.

Spunjer · 25th September 2005, 03:44 PM

hi justin,

nice binangon, and your prolly right, WW2ish. what's interesting is the brass band closest to the the throat instead of the typical leather. another thing i'm wondering about is the off-colored patch on the crown of the pommel. is that a hole? reason i ask is i have a sundang (tenegre) recently acquired that has a tang sticking out of the pommel, ala luzon style. i'm stumped...maybe this is a similar type?

Justin · 25th September 2005, 04:49 PM

Thanks for the comments,I am way behind on my PI weaponry terminology. Binangon,I take it is the name of this type of bolo?

The patch on top of the creatures head is not a hole but an abrasion,looks like someone dropped it over the side walk or something,again sorry for the horrible pics.

I also thought the lack of leather on the scabbard was odd.......

Battara · 25th September 2005, 09:48 PM

Often when you see a light patch on the wood top of the head like that it means that there was something on top, like for these types of bolos, a brass or silver plate of stylized hair that looks to me like a shell.

Bill · 25th September 2005, 11:33 PM

My guess is Panay 1940-60, but will learn from Zelbone, hopefully.

Ferguson · 26th September 2005, 01:14 AM

Beautiful piece. Do the top 2 brass bands look newer? Does the wood at the top look cleaner. Kind of looks that way in the pictures. If so, the scabbard may have been repaired after the replacement of the leather piece at the throat.

Steve

Justin · 26th September 2005, 03:12 PM

Battara,:There is a carved in shell shaped part that surrounds the little ground patch,maybe it was covered over with brass,it would match the ferrule and sheath.

Ferguson,:The top two bands do look less worn and are attached differently. They easily slid off and it doesnt look like the wood was altered at all.

zelbone · 27th September 2005, 04:03 AM

Nice Ilongo Binangon...or you could call it a ginunting....I prefer binangon.

Anyways, about the scabbard. It's all original, except that the leather throat is missing. It was there at one time. You could tell from pics you posted and your comment that you made that the top two wider brass bands are attached differently and easily slide off. Also that portion of the wood is lighter in color which meant something at one time covered it. When the scabbard was made originally, it most likely had the leather covered throat that was stitched together on the back. The two top brass bands slid over the leather to help secure it. As usual with time, the leather probably aged and schrank a bit and the stitching on the back deteriorated causing the the throatpiece to fall apart. The previous owner probably just removed it. I tend to agree with everyone else here about the age...mid 20th C. Nice blade!

Justin · 28th September 2005, 12:04 AM

Thanks Zel ,as always your comments are very helpful and appreciated.

24th September 2005, 06:37 PM	#1
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 175	Tenegre? bolo for comment First off let me apologize for the horrible pics in this thread and the other few that Im putting up. Wood hilt and sheath,fairly typical sword I think,probably WW2ish,let me know what you think. blade is 17.5in long,oa:22in. Attached Images

24th September 2005, 10:58 PM	#2
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	Kampilan like blade Binangon? I dunno.

25th September 2005, 03:44 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	hi justin, nice binangon, and your prolly right, WW2ish. what's interesting is the brass band closest to the the throat instead of the typical leather. another thing i'm wondering about is the off-colored patch on the crown of the pommel. is that a hole? reason i ask is i have a sundang (tenegre) recently acquired that has a tang sticking out of the pommel, ala luzon style. i'm stumped...maybe this is a similar type?

25th September 2005, 04:49 PM	#4
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 175	Thanks for the comments,I am way behind on my PI weaponry terminology. Binangon,I take it is the name of this type of bolo? The patch on top of the creatures head is not a hole but an abrasion,looks like someone dropped it over the side walk or something,again sorry for the horrible pics. I also thought the lack of leather on the scabbard was odd.......

25th September 2005, 09:48 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,225	Often when you see a light patch on the wood top of the head like that it means that there was something on top, like for these types of bolos, a brass or silver plate of stylized hair that looks to me like a shell.

25th September 2005, 11:33 PM	#6
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	My guess is Panay 1940-60, but will learn from Zelbone, hopefully.

26th September 2005, 01:14 AM	#7
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Beautiful piece. Do the top 2 brass bands look newer? Does the wood at the top look cleaner. Kind of looks that way in the pictures. If so, the scabbard may have been repaired after the replacement of the leather piece at the throat. Steve

26th September 2005, 03:12 PM	#8
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 175	Battara,:There is a carved in shell shaped part that surrounds the little ground patch,maybe it was covered over with brass,it would match the ferrule and sheath. Ferguson,:The top two bands do look less worn and are attached differently. They easily slid off and it doesnt look like the wood was altered at all.

27th September 2005, 04:03 AM	#9
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	Nice Ilongo Binangon...or you could call it a ginunting....I prefer binangon. Anyways, about the scabbard. It's all original, except that the leather throat is missing. It was there at one time. You could tell from pics you posted and your comment that you made that the top two wider brass bands are attached differently and easily slide off. Also that portion of the wood is lighter in color which meant something at one time covered it. When the scabbard was made originally, it most likely had the leather covered throat that was stitched together on the back. The two top brass bands slid over the leather to help secure it. As usual with time, the leather probably aged and schrank a bit and the stitching on the back deteriorated causing the the throatpiece to fall apart. The previous owner probably just removed it. I tend to agree with everyone else here about the age...mid 20th C. Nice blade!

28th September 2005, 12:04 AM	#10
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 175	Thanks Zel ,as always your comments are very helpful and appreciated.