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Hello
I want to share my new 2 pieces!!!! They are 2 swords with unusual hilts, I wish you enjoy with pictures, any information is wellcome!!! Thanks in advance Carlos |
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Wow, those are super nice, Carlos!
I'd tend to place the longer one as Sulu. Quite an unusual blade - it almost looks like a hybrid between a slender barung and a straight kris with asymmetric sabre tip. What's its length and thickness? Hilt is typical Naga style. The dark inlays are made from wood? I have an even tougher find to reliably classify the second piece. Congrats on these finds! Regards, Kai |
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They’re beautiful!! Congrats Carlos.
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The pommel on the ebony(?)hilt seems reminiscent of the Lasara motif seen on Nias swords.
Lucky you. ![]() http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...1&d=1433439036 Last edited by Rick; 15th April 2023 at 03:14 AM. |
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Two very nice swords. The hilts are what stand out. The familiar Naga motif on the longer one and (perhaps) a Lazara form on the other. I agree with Rick that the shorter one is likely from Sumatra, but it's not a familiar blade for Nias. That Naga style has been associated with Sulu swords previously.
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Wonderful examples!
The second piece with the ebony carving seems to me to have a Visayan look, perhaps like from Panay Island. Inserts on the barong look like ivory the black parts do look like ebony inserts. I love the naga form on these. When I grow up I may get one too...... ![]() |
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Hello Carlos, great swords, just beautiful and very unique! Congrats!
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Thanks allí for your information!!!!
The dark inlays are made from wood, yes ! |
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Very nice collection of early Filipino swords, Carlos!
I agree that the other blade might well have a Lumad origin, especially Mandaya and possibly related groups; even despite figural hilts not being documented from this area - also neighbouring Visayan islands may be a possibility. Do I assume correctly though that the edge doesn't exhibit a chisel grind? While of somewhat similar shape, I'd posit that the Luzon bolos are not as closely related. However, they may hint at an earlier ancestral blade shared more widely across the islands. Regards, Kai |
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Hello Rick & Ian,
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There is a Nias hilt style that seems even closer to Carlos' example than the most well known Nias sword hilt. Let me see if I can dredge up a pic for posting. Regards, Kai |
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Dipalata blades don't have the widening at the base nor the kink in the blade; the round guard crafted from steel or horn is more widely shared though. Establishing a possible link between these will prove to be much harder since this would refer back to a way earlier period. Regards, Kai |
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I don't think that the sword under discussion is Indonesian.
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Nor do I.
Reminiscent does not imply that I thought the sword to be of Sumatran origin. ![]() |
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Thanks all for the information
I add another picture from seller... |
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Carlos,
Just to clarify. When you posted "two new acquisitions from the Philippines," did you mean that you bought them from someone in the Philippines, or that you thought they were from the Philippines (but bought elsewhere). |
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I bought 2 pieces in Spain, and I thought swords were made on Philippines.
Thanks Carlos ][/I] |
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Thanks for the clarification, Detlef.
![]() I would love to see a picture of this hilt face on. These side views are not really helpful in getting a full picture of this hilt.. |
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