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A small folding clasp knife dated 1939. The blade stamped with several marks and has unusual brass/silver? inlay. Does it look like Navaja knife? Thanks!
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Yes
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Alex, this is a very interesting knife, whether comparable or not to a Navaja which, as the name says, belongs in a different universe.
Let's move your thread to the Ethno forum where, judging by the culture from which your piece appears to be, our members in there may have a word to say about it. |
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Is it locked when opened? Nice anyway!
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It appears to be a slip-joint, held open only by the thumb on the extended ringed tang extension rather than the locking pull ring or lifting lever of the racheting navajas. Might be spanish, looks like it, strong Islamic influences there at one time.
Navaja appears to be fairly generic for 'razor' or 'folding knife' and a few others. |
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Fernando,
Thanks for moving it to more appropriate forum. Detlef, There is no lock mechanism. As Kronckew pointed, the blade simply opens and closes by force. Also, here is another knife, also without locking mechanism but fine racheting action on open/close. I cannot read the small sign on the small shield emblem (copsa, corse??). Have anyone seen similar? Is it also Spanish? Modern? Thanks |
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Corse = Corsica
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I would say this is a modern piece; Vendetta meaning revenge, their traditional mythical culture. . |
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Yup, and it's a ring-pull lock knife, with the ring missing. It's NOT in the style of Corsican folding vendetta knives either. Looks French.
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This is what Bernard Levine had to say: "....It is called a Vendetta Corse or Corsican 'vendetta' knife. They are mainly sold in the island of Corsica, in the Mediterranean Sea. Some are made in Bastia, Corsica. Others are made in Thiers, on the French mainland. They are made in step sizes. For more details, see pages 303 and 304 of Levine's Guide to Knives, 4th Editio...." Cheers Chris Cheers Chris |
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However, if what you are really asking is whether the knife is Spanish or not, that is another matter entirely, and judging by its general appearance I am inclined to say no. Looks like a rustic peasant's knife made somewhere else. Cheers Chris |
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Best, Kubur |
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Kubar's sketch shows the traditional fixed blade version - I would like to eventually own one, but they are rare and expensive as antiques. Still made today tho.
Meanwhile, the 'real' folding versions are fairly well available, and all have basically the same general shape, a narrowish single edged spearpoint blade designed for thrusting, and the reduction in grip area just behind the bolster. they come in diffeent sizes, grip scale materials, and can be locking or not. The french Laguiole style style usually has a long clipped spine single edge, also can be locking or non-locking, note NO notch. Found a Mythical ( ![]() Last edited by kronckew; 20th July 2019 at 11:13 AM. |
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...and they make this one in wood grip - it looks very familiar, I think I've seen it's like before here.
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Alex, the first example you showed is a rather interesting piece. Whether it could (should) be considered a navaja, i would humbly say no. Navaja ( Novăcula) is the name of a folding knife in a Spanish context, which i don't think is the case here.
It looks like it has (smith) marks in both blade faces, which is an undeniable added value; adding to that i would not reject the possibility that the three digit date in the handle is not for 1939 but for 1839. In any case having nothing to do, in collecting terms, with your recent Corsican 'Vendetta' nor with the modern 'cutlery' that is being shown in its regard ... if i dare say ![]() |
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...only shown for reference to their traditional shapes which are timeless.
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Yes, it is a Navaja, most likely made in France ( Thiers was the gorilla of stamping them in huge quantities). This is described in a book by Denis Cherevichnik about the history of knife fights around the world. A splendid book published regretfully only in Russian. It reads like a “ Captain Blood Odyssey” but with impeccable historical analysis and background and a ton of references. If you are interested, I can send you a link to the publisher.
Have you found it in Uzbekistan, of all places????? Well, if so, one could fantasize that it was brought there by one of the Soviet “ volunteers” fighting in Spain on the Republican side. The very first pic shows a hammer and a sickle. Spain was a testing ground for both German and Soviet forces in preparation for WW2. Kind of like Syria these day. |
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S we would have a French couteau à ressort, exported to Spain tagged as navaja, in such a peculiar disguise, bought by a товарищ who then engraved it with an hammer & sickle, before being reallocated to Uzbekistan ...
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Thanks to all for information and an interesting discussion.
Ariel, I did not even notice the 'hammer and sickle' symbol. The knife was found in Uzbekistan indeed, so the historical references you provided could well be a case. Fernando, I also thought of the blade as being older, based on the marks is does look 18thC, however, even though the horn slabs show some age and insect damage, they do not look as old as the blade to me. |
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