POWDER HORNS FOR COMMENT

BANDOOK · 23rd June 2015, 01:35 PM

A PAIR OF SCRIMSHAW WORKED BULLOCK HORNS OF A CLASSICAL COUPLE
THE MILITARY GENT IN UNIFORM,A FRENCH INSCRIPTION TO THE RIBBON BELOW,THE OTHER WITH HIS PARTNER,A CROWN BELOW WITHIN A VINE FRAMED CARTOUCHE
REGARDS RAJESH

Rick · 23rd June 2015, 03:18 PM

Dieu et Mon Droit ?

Andreas · 23rd June 2015, 06:19 PM

Dieu et mon Droit, and a British Crown, so probably the young Queen Victoria and Prince Albert, early 1840s.
Andreas

BANDOOK · 23rd June 2015, 09:59 PM

THANKS ANDREAS FOR THE INFORMATION,CHEERS

Battara · 24th June 2015, 01:41 AM

I think you may also get more feedback in the European forum, especially since this regards European arms.

I'll move it there for you.

BANDOOK · 24th June 2015, 11:32 AM

THANKS BATTARA,THATS RIGHT REGARDS RAJESH

Fernando K · 24th June 2015, 02:10 PM

hello

The title of the post says "powder horns". Do not warn any means to close or open

Affectionately. Fernando K

BANDOOK · 25th June 2015, 01:34 PM

HI FERNANDO CAN YOU SEE AND READ MY POST ,IT WAS ORGINALLY POSTED ON THE ETHINOGRAPHIC FORUM BUT THEN TRANSFERRED TO EUROPEAN ARMOURY BY BATTARA, AS THESE POWDER HORNS WOULD HAVE ORIGINATED IN EUROPE AND GET BETTER FEEDBACK IN HERE,CHEERS RAJESH

Andreas · 25th June 2015, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BANDOOK

HI FERNANDO CAN YOU SEE AND READ MY POST ,IT WAS ORGINALLY POSTED ON THE ETHINOGRAPHIC FORUM BUT THEN TRANSFERRED TO EUROPEAN ARMOURY BY BATTARA, AS THESE POWDER HORNS WOULD HAVE ORIGINATED IN EUROPE AND GET BETTER FEEDBACK IN HERE,CHEERS RAJESH

I think Fernando refers to the absence of a spout on the horns.

fernando · 25th June 2015, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andreas

I think Fernando refers to the absence of a spout on the horns.

Precisely.

BANDOOK · 27th June 2015, 12:48 PM

THATS RIGHT AMIGO FERNANDO
ITS A BULLOCK HORN SCRIMSHAW ,ANY INFORMATION IS WELCOME,MUCHO GRACIAS RAJESH

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 16th July 2015, 07:56 AM

Salaams all...but if it has no spout then its not a powder horn....I typed into web search yahoo European scrimshaw powder horns and all the horns for powder use had spouts...as already mentioned... So we have here scrimshaw but not for gunpowder. Is this a contender for the Miscellaneous section?
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

M ELEY · 16th July 2015, 08:29 AM

Besides inscribed powder horns, I seen hunting horns (as in fox hunts, etc) with scrimshaw decorations. Again, no open end, so not a trumpeter either...

fernando · 16th July 2015, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

... So we have here scrimshaw but not for gunpowder. Is this a contender for the Miscellaneous section? ...

Apparently Rajesh doesn't oppose the assumption that there is no spout for a powder horn ... this being 'simply' a horn.
Let's move it then.

BANDOOK · 26th July 2015, 01:41 PM

THANKS FERNANDO SO ITS A SCRIMSHAW HORN I ASSUME OF 1850s PERIOD ,cheers

JamesKelly · 14th August 2015, 12:55 AM

With respect, the faces look like 20th century people

The horns look Mexican

Generally the execution of the scrimshaw looks modern to me.

This is one reason I do not collect horns. I used to make them, and have enjoyed looking at other's work

It is not uncommon for people to make horns/powder horns/whatever here in the USA, for the last half century.

Sorry.

Rick · 14th August 2015, 06:48 PM

Unusual subject matter to have been made in either Mexico or the US and wind up on the other side of the world in a former British colony .

JamesKelly · 15th August 2015, 02:30 AM

In the US horns imported from Mexico are used for scrimshaw or powder horns. One might suspect such horns are broadly available worldwide.

Whatever the cow, these items, in my considered opinion, are 20th century at the earliest.

BANDOOK · 15th August 2015, 02:01 PM

THANKS FOR ALL INFORMATION SO FROM MEXICO TO NEW ZEALAND,WOW LONG JOURNEY,THESE REALLY LOOK OLD AND AMAZING PATINA,BUT SEEMS BY RECENT COMMENTS THEY HAVE BEEN MADE YESTERDAY ,ASSUME A MYSTERY???

Pukka Bundook · 15th August 2015, 02:44 PM

Yes, I believe these are recently made.
The scrimshaw is not of the type normally produced in the 19th century.
add to this the fact that they have not been finished into a useful article, either blowing horn or powder horn and all we can come up with is modern manufacture.
Mexican horns find their way all over, as many countries do not now have livestock with usable horns, so they may even have been made in your own country. Art-work decidedly modern.

Best wishes,
Richard.

23rd June 2015, 01:35 PM	#1
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	POWDER HORNS FOR COMMENT A PAIR OF SCRIMSHAW WORKED BULLOCK HORNS OF A CLASSICAL COUPLE THE MILITARY GENT IN UNIFORM,A FRENCH INSCRIPTION TO THE RIBBON BELOW,THE OTHER WITH HIS PARTNER,A CROWN BELOW WITHIN A VINE FRAMED CARTOUCHE REGARDS RAJESH Attached Images

23rd June 2015, 06:19 PM	#3
Andreas Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ionian Islands, Greece Posts: 96	Dieu et mon Droit, and a British Crown, so probably the young Queen Victoria and Prince Albert, early 1840s. Andreas Attached Images

23rd June 2015, 03:18 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Dieu et Mon Droit ?

23rd June 2015, 09:59 PM	#4
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	THANKS ANDREAS FOR THE INFORMATION,CHEERS

24th June 2015, 01:41 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I think you may also get more feedback in the European forum, especially since this regards European arms. I'll move it there for you.

24th June 2015, 11:32 AM	#6
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	THANKS BATTARA,THATS RIGHT REGARDS RAJESH

24th June 2015, 02:10 PM	#7
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 669	hello The title of the post says "powder horns". Do not warn any means to close or open Affectionately. Fernando K

25th June 2015, 01:34 PM	#8
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	HI FERNANDO CAN YOU SEE AND READ MY POST ,IT WAS ORGINALLY POSTED ON THE ETHINOGRAPHIC FORUM BUT THEN TRANSFERRED TO EUROPEAN ARMOURY BY BATTARA, AS THESE POWDER HORNS WOULD HAVE ORIGINATED IN EUROPE AND GET BETTER FEEDBACK IN HERE,CHEERS RAJESH

27th June 2015, 12:48 PM	#11
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	THATS RIGHT AMIGO FERNANDO ITS A BULLOCK HORN SCRIMSHAW ,ANY INFORMATION IS WELCOME,MUCHO GRACIAS RAJESH

16th July 2015, 07:56 AM	#12
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams all...but if it has no spout then its not a powder horn....I typed into web search yahoo European scrimshaw powder horns and all the horns for powder use had spouts...as already mentioned... So we have here scrimshaw but not for gunpowder. Is this a contender for the Miscellaneous section? Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

16th July 2015, 08:29 AM	#13
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,096	Besides inscribed powder horns, I seen hunting horns (as in fox hunts, etc) with scrimshaw decorations. Again, no open end, so not a trumpeter either...

26th July 2015, 01:41 PM	#15
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	THANKS FERNANDO SO ITS A SCRIMSHAW HORN I ASSUME OF 1850s PERIOD ,cheers

14th August 2015, 12:55 AM	#16
JamesKelly Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Michigan, U.S.A. Posts: 108	With respect, the faces look like 20th century people The horns look Mexican Generally the execution of the scrimshaw looks modern to me. This is one reason I do not collect horns. I used to make them, and have enjoyed looking at other's work It is not uncommon for people to make horns/powder horns/whatever here in the USA, for the last half century. Sorry.

14th August 2015, 06:48 PM	#17
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Unusual subject matter to have been made in either Mexico or the US and wind up on the other side of the world in a former British colony .

15th August 2015, 02:30 AM	#18
JamesKelly Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Michigan, U.S.A. Posts: 108	In the US horns imported from Mexico are used for scrimshaw or powder horns. One might suspect such horns are broadly available worldwide. Whatever the cow, these items, in my considered opinion, are 20th century at the earliest.

15th August 2015, 02:01 PM	#19
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 624	THANKS FOR ALL INFORMATION SO FROM MEXICO TO NEW ZEALAND,WOW LONG JOURNEY,THESE REALLY LOOK OLD AND AMAZING PATINA,BUT SEEMS BY RECENT COMMENTS THEY HAVE BEEN MADE YESTERDAY ,ASSUME A MYSTERY???

15th August 2015, 02:44 PM	#20
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	Yes, I believe these are recently made. The scrimshaw is not of the type normally produced in the 19th century. add to this the fact that they have not been finished into a useful article, either blowing horn or powder horn and all we can come up with is modern manufacture. Mexican horns find their way all over, as many countries do not now have livestock with usable horns, so they may even have been made in your own country. Art-work decidedly modern. Best wishes, Richard.