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Old 12th July 2020, 09:18 PM   #1
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i recently obtained this Yat. I cant seem to find anyone who can read the inscriptions..
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Old 12th July 2020, 11:32 PM   #2
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Really fine model !!
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Old 13th July 2020, 07:35 PM   #3
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Old 13th July 2020, 07:46 PM   #4
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Thank you! it is a unique variety with that type of handle and fuller. The scabbard is also very nice. I dont know why though the fuller is brass and the handle is silver, but both seem original to the blade. its very pretty though..
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Old 13th July 2020, 11:54 PM   #5
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Hi sfenoid,

Perhaps the owner upgraded the hilt and scabbard to silver when his social standing increased or he became more affluent/influential. Not uncommon in many cultures.
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Perhaps the owner upgraded the hilt and scabbard to silver when his social standing increased or he became more affluent/influential. Not uncommon in many cultures.
so he still couldnt afford to update the fuller? ) may be some people like gold and silver together
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Old 14th July 2020, 01:18 AM   #7
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i recently obtained this Yat. I cant seem to find anyone who can read the inscriptions..
Очень похоже: "этот меч как Зульфакар, увидев его твои враги разбегутся"

Very similar: "this sword is like Zulfakar, when your enemies see it, they will flee"
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Old 14th July 2020, 06:36 AM   #8
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so he still couldnt afford to update the fuller? ) may be some people like gold and silver together
The brass bolster would have been inside the scabbard. So, when sheathed the sword would have looked all silver. Also, to redo the bolster may have required dismounting the whole hilt.
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Old 14th July 2020, 07:51 AM   #9
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The brass bolster would have been inside the scabbard. So, when sheathed the sword would have looked all silver. Also, to redo the bolster may have required dismounting the whole hilt.
Makes sense ...
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Old 14th July 2020, 07:51 AM   #10
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Очень похоже: "этот меч как Зульфакар, увидев его твои враги разбегутся"

Very similar: "this sword is like Zulfakar, when your enemies see it, they will flee"
What’s the English transliteration? I don’t speak Russian unfortunately
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Old 14th July 2020, 08:37 AM   #11
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What’s the English transliteration? I don’t speak Russian unfortunately
I don't speak Russian either... but to me

"this sword is like Zulfakar, when your enemies see it, they will flee"

sounds like English.



PS: Very nice Yataghan and to my eyes from the Balkans.
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Old 14th July 2020, 09:18 AM   #12
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It was copied without understanding what it should mean and with words missing,
probably by an illiterate artisan:

[Darbından bu] bıçağın cümle düşman tar ü mar
[İntikam alır] aduvvdan sanki misli zülfikar

“[From its blow] this knife‘s enemies are scattered,
[It takes revenge] upon the enemy like Zülfikar.”

These are very common verses on yataghans
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Old 15th July 2020, 07:05 AM   #13
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It was copied without understanding what it should mean and with words missing,
probably by an illiterate artisan:

[Darbından bu] bıçağın cümle düşman tar ü mar
[İntikam alır] aduvvdan sanki misli zülfikar

“[From its blow] this knife‘s enemies are scattered,
[It takes revenge] upon the enemy like Zülfikar.”

These are very common verses on yataghans
Thank you very much! Does the cartouche one the back(the second picture ) have a date you think ? Like 27 may be ?
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