TULWAR

Multumesc · 23rd June 2019, 01:52 PM

Hello.What do you think about this tulwar? Since what century is this tulwar?From what country does it come from?Thank you in advance.

Multumesc · 23rd June 2019, 02:38 PM

The lama seems to be damasc.

ariel · 23rd June 2019, 08:55 PM

The contour of the blade and the absence of blunt ricasso seem to point to its Persian origin. The hole in the handle was designed for a rivet, suggesting NE India/ Afghanistan, and yet another hole likely suggests that the handle is not the original one. New handles were married to old blades and vice versa all the time.
The blade absolutely needs cleaning, polishing and etching. Might be an excellent one. I keep my fingers crossed.

Multumesc · 24th June 2019, 02:29 PM

As can be seen in the first picture, it is possible to be Wootz Steel? ( Damascus Steel)

ariel · 24th June 2019, 04:02 PM

It is eminently possible.
But to prove it, you will need some elbow grease:-)

There are multiple entries on this site with detailed “recipes” how to do it right.
Your efforts may be richly rewarded.

Jens Nordlunde · 24th June 2019, 10:43 PM

I can only agree with Ariel - please start cleaning the blade:-).

MForde · 25th June 2019, 01:10 PM

I've read that handles that look fairly long and spacious like this one are associated with Scinde - or is that a bit of a myth?

Jim McDougall · 25th June 2019, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MForde

I've read that handles that look fairly long and spacious like this one are associated with Scinde - or is that a bit of a myth?

Beware those kinds of axioms, and there are many associated with Indian arms.
In most cases, late 18th into 19th is pretty much the standard period of most tulwars, with more discerning classification determined with in depth investigation.

The idea of these 'long' open hilts 'being from Sind, perhaps?'is noted from an illustration from the article "Swords of the Shazadas and Talpurs" by Peter Hayes, 'Connoisseur ' magazine Vo. 178, #717, p.177, Nov.1971. and addresses the Talpur tribes in Sind's preferences in weaponry. As indicated in dscussions in Apr. 2016, one of these was so noted as from Sind.

The bottom sword is perhaps in mind of your suggestion.

It is the bottom sword in the illustration.
Talpurs of Sind had a strong propensity for diplomatic exchanges and gifting of swords so many forms were involved. The open hilts (as here) I have always regarded as court or diplomatic types, so possibly that might be a factor.

These hilts were well present throughout Mughal held regions.

MForde · 28th June 2019, 11:24 AM

Thank you for that, Mr McDougall - a most interesting read.

Jens Nordlunde · 29th June 2019, 01:40 PM

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23rd June 2019, 01:52 PM	#1
Multumesc Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Romania Posts: 203	TULWAR Hello.What do you think about this tulwar? Since what century is this tulwar?From what country does it come from?Thank you in advance. Attached Images

23rd June 2019, 02:38 PM	#2
Multumesc Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Romania Posts: 203	TULWAR The lama seems to be damasc.

24th June 2019, 02:29 PM	#4
Multumesc Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Romania Posts: 203	TULWAR As can be seen in the first picture, it is possible to be Wootz Steel? ( Damascus Steel)

23rd June 2019, 08:55 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The contour of the blade and the absence of blunt ricasso seem to point to its Persian origin. The hole in the handle was designed for a rivet, suggesting NE India/ Afghanistan, and yet another hole likely suggests that the handle is not the original one. New handles were married to old blades and vice versa all the time. The blade absolutely needs cleaning, polishing and etching. Might be an excellent one. I keep my fingers crossed.

24th June 2019, 04:02 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	It is eminently possible. But to prove it, you will need some elbow grease:-) There are multiple entries on this site with detailed “recipes” how to do it right. Your efforts may be richly rewarded.

24th June 2019, 10:43 PM	#6
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	I can only agree with Ariel - please start cleaning the blade:-).

25th June 2019, 01:10 PM	#7
MForde Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: UK Posts: 36	I've read that handles that look fairly long and spacious like this one are associated with Scinde - or is that a bit of a myth?

28th June 2019, 11:24 AM	#9
MForde Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: UK Posts: 36	Thank you for that, Mr McDougall - a most interesting read.

29th June 2019, 01:40 PM	#10
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Although this thread is quite old there are many interestihttp://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10693&highlight=Tulwar+Hilt+Types ng posts