Mahdist daggers

regihis · 13th February 2012, 09:44 PM

Jim McDougall · 13th February 2012, 10:03 PM

Nice!
Was there a question or observation? What do you know about provenance, the style of hilt etc. Do you collect in this field?

regihis · 13th February 2012, 10:50 PM

I would translate it.

regihis · 13th February 2012, 10:51 PM

I would translate it. inside the square is the year??

Devadatta · 13th February 2012, 11:40 PM

Nice, here's mine!

Dom · 14th February 2012, 01:48 AM

Translation for the date

1123 Hegira either ±1711 Gregorian

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Dom

kronckew · 14th February 2012, 08:11 AM

they also come in straight.

Lew · 14th February 2012, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

Translation for the date

1123 Hegira either ±1711 Gregorian

à +

Dom

I find it hard to believe that these daggers are 300 yrs old based on the inscribing. If these are indeed Mahdist period dagger they can't be older than 1885?

Lew

Dom · 14th February 2012, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew

I find it hard to believe that these daggers are 300 yrs old based on the inscribing. If these are indeed Mahdist period dagger they can't be older than 1885? Lew

I dunno if in English has a meaning, but we said (Frenchies)
- the paper never refuse ink and when it's engraved in marble or iron

I translate, no more ...

interpretation I leave it for more expert than me

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Dom

regihis · 14th February 2012, 10:27 PM

In portuguese: paper accepts all...
I believe the Mahdists copied what already existed ...in this case: the style of the words Thuluth and the design of daggers. How copied others styles: indian, mamluk, western african ..

regihis · 14th February 2012, 10:46 PM

Its a Funj dagger?

The rulers of Sennar held the title of Mek (sultan). Their regnal numbers vary from source to source.
Amara Dunqas 1503-1533/4 (AH 940)
Nayil 1533/4 (AH 940)-1550/1 (AH 957)
Abd al-Qadir I 1550/1 (AH 957)-1557/8 (AH 965)
Abu Sakikin 1557/8 (AH 965)-1568
Dakin 1568-1585/6 (AH 994)
Dawra 1585/6 (AH 994)-1587/8 (AH 996)
Tayyib 1587/8 (AH 996)-1591
Unsa I 1591-1603/4 (AH 1012)
Abd al-Qadir II 1603/4 (AH 1012)-1606
Adlan I 1606-1611/2 (AH 1020)
Badi I 1611/2 (AH 1020)-1616/7 (AH 1025)
Rabat I 1616/7 (AH 1025)-1644/5
Badi II 1644/5-1681
Unsa II 1681-1692
Badi III 1692-1716
Unsa III 1719-1720
Nul 1720-1724
Badi IV 1724-1762
Nasir 1762-1769
Isma'il 1768-1776
Adlan II 1776-1789
Awkal 1787-1788
Tayyib II 1788-1790
Badi V 1790
Nawwar 1790-1791
Badi VI 1791-1798
Ranfi 1798-1804
Agban 1804-1805
Badi VII 1805-1821

regihis · 14th February 2012, 10:47 PM

really, the dagger its previous the mahdist, its a Funj gun?

funj warrior

13th February 2012, 09:44 PM	#1
regihis Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 39	Mahdist daggers

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Devadatta Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 118	Nice, here's mine! Attached Images

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Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Translation for the date 1123 Hegira either ±1711 Gregorian à + Dom Attached Images

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kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,184	they also come in straight. Attached Images

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Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,950	Nice! Was there a question or observation? What do you know about provenance, the style of hilt etc. Do you collect in this field?

13th February 2012, 10:50 PM	#3
regihis Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 39	I would translate it.

13th February 2012, 10:51 PM	#4
regihis Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 39	I would translate it. inside the square is the year??

14th February 2012, 10:27 PM	#10
regihis Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 39	In portuguese: paper accepts all... I believe the Mahdists copied what already existed ...in this case: the style of the words Thuluth and the design of daggers. How copied others styles: indian, mamluk, western african ..

14th February 2012, 10:46 PM	#11
regihis Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 39	Its a Funj dagger? The rulers of Sennar held the title of Mek (sultan). Their regnal numbers vary from source to source. Amara Dunqas 1503-1533/4 (AH 940) Nayil 1533/4 (AH 940)-1550/1 (AH 957) Abd al-Qadir I 1550/1 (AH 957)-1557/8 (AH 965) Abu Sakikin 1557/8 (AH 965)-1568 Dakin 1568-1585/6 (AH 994) Dawra 1585/6 (AH 994)-1587/8 (AH 996) Tayyib 1587/8 (AH 996)-1591 Unsa I 1591-1603/4 (AH 1012) Abd al-Qadir II 1603/4 (AH 1012)-1606 Adlan I 1606-1611/2 (AH 1020) Badi I 1611/2 (AH 1020)-1616/7 (AH 1025) Rabat I 1616/7 (AH 1025)-1644/5 Badi II 1644/5-1681 Unsa II 1681-1692 Badi III 1692-1716 Unsa III 1719-1720 Nul 1720-1724 Badi IV 1724-1762 Nasir 1762-1769 Isma'il 1768-1776 Adlan II 1776-1789 Awkal 1787-1788 Tayyib II 1788-1790 Badi V 1790 Nawwar 1790-1791 Badi VI 1791-1798 Ranfi 1798-1804 Agban 1804-1805 Badi VII 1805-1821

14th February 2012, 10:47 PM	#12
regihis Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 39	really, the dagger its previous the mahdist, its a Funj gun? funj warrior