help to identify newly aquired old yataghan

mavi1970 · 29th April 2005, 05:05 AM

hi, thanks for all your help in previous posts, but this is a new old yataghan i have aquired recently. its about 28 inches in length, with a circle etched in the middle of the blade with almost a davids cross, this design continues on the leather covered scabbard. the designs are similair but not exactly the same. there is also other designs etched into the other side but of corrosion right over them it is hard to read or make out the arabic script but it is really beautifull. there is a peice of the brass/silver cover on the area where the hilt attaches to the blade, and under it is a dark almost tar like or rock hard mollasses type substance. the handle is of horn or some sort of bone, which has a worm hole in it on one edge. this sword is in need of repair but, i think i will leave it as such, any help in identifying this sword, and age would be appreciated.

mavi1970 · 29th April 2005, 05:12 AM

more photos of the sword, will have more again

mavi1970 · 29th April 2005, 05:16 AM

hi i have attached more again, ask if not legible

tom hyle · 29th April 2005, 05:47 AM

doesn't look poorly off in the pictures. That molasses is pitch; boiled down tree resin likely mixed with other things.

Radu Transylvanicus · 29th April 2005, 08:05 AM

This is a sword that myself I would consider restoring (as in professional cleaning) since it is well preserved but covered in murky oxides and residue and I have a feeling that I wouldnt miss that patina, which isnt such a ,,charming" one (in my own acception...). The weapon is awesome and the materials used are good and well preserved.

mavi1970 · 29th April 2005, 04:15 PM

thanks for your quick comments. what is the consenses on age and origin? would it be balkan ottoman or more east ottoman? due to the chase work? and the age, mid 19th or earlier?

Rick · 29th April 2005, 04:58 PM

These swords are often quite controversial as to their exact origin . In the old forum we went round and round about the origin of my example .
I think it would be most helpful to see the entire sword several views including the spine , and the entire scabbard both front and back including the method of fastening the leather seam on the back .
I think the absence of jewels and coral could be meaningful as to origin .
The scabbard (if original) may also help to date the piece .

mavi1970 · 29th April 2005, 08:50 PM

hi here a few more pictures, i would have to take more if needed, what kind of sword do you have? how old is it and how does it compare? what does the coral and stones signify in terms of origin and date?

mavi1970 · 29th April 2005, 08:55 PM

the wood inside the scabbard looks old and not a new peice or new peice distrissed to look old, its really worn down. also the leather is stitched together with a steel wire if sorts, which has actually held it together if it is as you say 100%old and original, the brass end peice also has little indentations around the area that covers the stitched leather center, as to almost be like little nails to hold it in place. the top end of it has a leather peice which has tiny sew marks along the bottom and top and along the seam. the design is one that interests me because it almost matches the design on the blade of a circle with a davids star of sorts.

Rick · 29th April 2005, 10:20 PM

For comparison ; if I recall correctly we narrowed this down to either Greek or Caucasus , early 19th c. :

mavi1970 · 29th April 2005, 10:54 PM

the blade is in great shape, have you restored it or cleaned it? the design is very similair to one of mine. one question, do you use mineral oil to protect the blades , any hints?

Rick · 29th April 2005, 11:00 PM

Hi Mavi , I'm sure the blade has had a polish , but that was before I acquired it . Unfortunately the cartouche was either etched or polished off ; this could be a problem for you if you decide to have the blade polished .

For sword protection from hilt to blade to scabbard :
In Rennaisance Wax we trust !

http://www.restorationproduct.com/

29th April 2005, 05:05 AM	#1
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	help to identify newly aquired old yataghan hi, thanks for all your help in previous posts, but this is a new old yataghan i have aquired recently. its about 28 inches in length, with a circle etched in the middle of the blade with almost a davids cross, this design continues on the leather covered scabbard. the designs are similair but not exactly the same. there is also other designs etched into the other side but of corrosion right over them it is hard to read or make out the arabic script but it is really beautifull. there is a peice of the brass/silver cover on the area where the hilt attaches to the blade, and under it is a dark almost tar like or rock hard mollasses type substance. the handle is of horn or some sort of bone, which has a worm hole in it on one edge. this sword is in need of repair but, i think i will leave it as such, any help in identifying this sword, and age would be appreciated. Attached Images

29th April 2005, 05:12 AM	#2
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	more photos more photos of the sword, will have more again Attached Images

29th April 2005, 05:16 AM	#3
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	more photos again hi i have attached more again, ask if not legible Attached Images

29th April 2005, 04:58 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Tough Question These swords are often quite controversial as to their exact origin . In the old forum we went round and round about the origin of my example . I think it would be most helpful to see the entire sword several views including the spine , and the entire scabbard both front and back including the method of fastening the leather seam on the back . I think the absence of jewels and coral could be meaningful as to origin . The scabbard (if original) may also help to date the piece .

29th April 2005, 08:50 PM	#8
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	more pictures hi here a few more pictures, i would have to take more if needed, what kind of sword do you have? how old is it and how does it compare? what does the coral and stones signify in terms of origin and date? Attached Images

29th April 2005, 05:47 AM	#4
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	doesn't look poorly off in the pictures. That molasses is pitch; boiled down tree resin likely mixed with other things.

29th April 2005, 08:05 AM	#5
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	This is a sword that myself I would consider restoring (as in professional cleaning) since it is well preserved but covered in murky oxides and residue and I have a feeling that I wouldnt miss that patina, which isnt such a ,,charming" one (in my own acception...). The weapon is awesome and the materials used are good and well preserved.

29th April 2005, 04:15 PM	#6
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	thanks for your quick comments. what is the consenses on age and origin? would it be balkan ottoman or more east ottoman? due to the chase work? and the age, mid 19th or earlier?

29th April 2005, 08:55 PM	#9
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	scabbard the wood inside the scabbard looks old and not a new peice or new peice distrissed to look old, its really worn down. also the leather is stitched together with a steel wire if sorts, which has actually held it together if it is as you say 100%old and original, the brass end peice also has little indentations around the area that covers the stitched leather center, as to almost be like little nails to hold it in place. the top end of it has a leather peice which has tiny sew marks along the bottom and top and along the seam. the design is one that interests me because it almost matches the design on the blade of a circle with a davids star of sorts.

29th April 2005, 10:20 PM	#10
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	My Yat. For comparison ; if I recall correctly we narrowed this down to either Greek or Caucasus , early 19th c. : Attached Images

29th April 2005, 10:54 PM	#11
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	nice the blade is in great shape, have you restored it or cleaned it? the design is very similair to one of mine. one question, do you use mineral oil to protect the blades , any hints?

29th April 2005, 11:00 PM	#12
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	Hi Mavi , I'm sure the blade has had a polish , but that was before I acquired it . Unfortunately the cartouche was either etched or polished off ; this could be a problem for you if you decide to have the blade polished . For sword protection from hilt to blade to scabbard : In Rennaisance Wax we trust ! http://www.restorationproduct.com/