Horn hilted Yataghan, Is it Arabic or gibberish?

[Rafngard]

Hello All,

I recently acquired this, my second Yataghan. It's a little beat up, but I'm still happy with it, especially give the price.

My other Yataghan, previously posted to the forum, has a gibberish (Arab-ish?) inscription on it, which I understand, is not uncommon on 19th century Balkan yataghans. I'm wondering if the inscription here this is the same?

Any opinions?

And also a bit of a family photo, staged with a couple other things from (*or inspired by) my recent trip to Sarajevo.

Have fun,
Leif

[Battara]

Looks Balkan, perhaps Bosnian.

[gp]

could you specify "gibberish" or why you come to call it "gibberish"?

Also in order to determine anything, the sizes / dimensions of the yathagan might be helpfull....


Tip: perhaps my articles in this forum on the Ottoman Bosnian cold arms ( amongst it languages on blades of bichaqs and yataghans and items in Balkan museums) will assist you further....

FYI: the Fez shown on the pictue might either be from :

1. the Bosniaken K.u.K Infantery Regiments I to IV
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnia...inian_Infantry

or

2. the 13. or 21. Waffen-Gebirgs-Division of the SS Handschar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_W..._(1st_Croatian)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_W..._SS_Skanderbeg

or (what is recently often seen) a recent copy made for either historical enactment or fake copies of the original ones

an indication might be the pet-badge or holes in the Fez where these badges used to be ( enclosed some pics of the K.u.K. Habsburgian ones)

[Rafngard]

Originally Posted by gp

could you specify "gibberish" or why you come to call it "gibberish"?

My first Yataghan (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28326) has an "inscription" on it where it seems the engraver "used their fantasy and just did write something or nonsensicle." Probably added to to "fancy up" the weapon. I'm wondering if this is something similar, rather than actual meaningful writting.

Originally Posted by gp

Also in order to determine anything, the sizes / dimensions of the yathagan might be helpfull....

The yataghan is 28.5 inches long overall, with the blade being 24 inches.

Originally Posted by gp

Tip: perhaps my articles in this forum on the Ottoman Bosnian cold arms ( amongst it languages on blades of bichaqs and yataghans and items in Balkan museums) will assist you further....

I've read them in the past and your contributions here are great! Maybe I'll re-read them...

Originally Posted by gp

FYI: the Fez shown on the pictue might either be from :

It is absolutely modern. I bought it from a vender in Baščaršija in August. It's just there for fun. :-)

Thanks,
Leif

[gp]

Originally Posted by Rafngard

My first Yataghan (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28326) has an "inscription" on it where it seems the engraver "used their fantasy and just did write something or nonsensicle." Probably added to to "fancy up" the weapon. I'm wondering if this is something similar, rather than actual meaningful writting.


The yataghan is 28.5 inches long overall, with the blade being 24 inches.



I've read them in the past and your contributions here are great! Maybe I'll re-read them...



It is absolutely modern. I bought it from a vender in Baščaršija in August. It's just there for fun. :-)

Thanks,
Leif

Concerning the scripture: in the Ottoman times of the Balkan, the writing was mostly Turkish but in Arab scripture.
One small difference or addition: in former Yugoslavia, specially Bosnia, they had , used their own language…also in Arabic lettering.
I have placed somewhere an overviewof that alfabet in Bosnian Arabic scripture and will look it up and ad it here again.

That might often be the cause for (mis)understanding it as “ gibberish” if one looks or reads it with either Turkish or Arabic language skills.

A second “challenge”, rather less occurring, might be an illiterate or person with limited written knowledge (a villager or so) trying to do his best…

But this one is the real McCoy! Although it looks a little rude, the writing is in a beautiful condition and also the length of 28.5 and the grip specially is also proof you have a real one
you can compare it to the writing on some of mine :
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...02&postcount=6

Try to rubb some gum / rubber eraser over the writting: it will bring it to some beauty!

Lucky you got if from Baščaršija;I used to live close to there mid 80ies for some months each year. The most of the cold weapons disappeared after the tragic events in the 90ies…
Sold to mostly all the foreign NATO soldiers who were based their to implement the Dayton agreement after 1996.
Next most antique shops and silver jewelry shops who had them closed as well.

Take care and have a nice day !

Gunar

[gp]

found it, Bosnian in Arab scripture: see # 10

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ure#post287035

and also here

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28326
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...har#post270932

some more to read ( is legal to be downloaded ) : https://www.researchgate.net/publica...e_Banat_Museum

BR

Gunar