Sikin Panjang / Missing scabbard mouth ? help ?

asomotif · 18th March 2009, 12:20 AM

Hello,
Just bought his old Sikin from someone who's great grandfather fought in Atjeh before 1900.

The scabbard mouth is missing.
The hilt is : hulu tumpanng " and so far I have never seen this type hilt with a scabbard that has a loose scabbardmouth.

Any suggestions to what type of scabbard mouth could have been fitted in the past ?

Best regards,
Willem

VVV · 18th March 2009, 08:19 AM

Nice find!
Probably the ivory version, not the horn, based on that it was removed.

Michael

Henk · 18th March 2009, 08:55 AM

I agree with Michael. Ivory.

Maurice · 18th March 2009, 10:18 AM

Hi Willem,

I like this one...
Now a nightly trip with a fretsaw to "Artis"????

Kind regards,
Maurice

asomotif · 18th March 2009, 01:28 PM

Quote:

nightly trip with a fretsaw to "Artis"????

Maurice, stealing ivory from an elephant would not be wise.
They remember everything and are pretty revengeful (remember the ROLO advert ?

)

Michael,
Good thinking about the ivory. Indeed in case of horn it would probably not be missing.

My question was raised because in the books I never see the ivory mouth pieces combined with this specific hilt form.

All sikins with ivory mouthpiese that I have seen were in the combination that Michael shows in his picture and sometimes with the Hulu rumpung.

Ps.
Any other forumite with picture of ivory mouthpieces ?

erikscollectables · 18th March 2009, 09:41 PM

Michael,

So far I have only seen the ivory cross pieces with sikins that have a hulu peusangan (like yours and some of my pieces).

So that would bring up the question if this scabbard had a ivory cross piece does this sikin belong to the scabbard?

Just a thought.

Regards, Erik

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Nice find!
Probably the ivory version, not the horn, based on that it was removed.

Michael

asomotif · 18th March 2009, 10:05 PM

Dear Erik,

I could not find the correct 'hulu' name earlier today.

But indeed uptill now I only saw ivory combined with hulu peusangang and hulu rumpung.

Never with hulu tumpang as this piece suggest.

However, and that is why I already made the picture with the other blade,
this blade is very narrow and long compared to any other sikins I have seen.
It really fits the scabbard like a glove. (a bit of a broken glove

)

And therefore also my request here.
I am looking for sikins with Hulu tumpang and an ivory scabbard mouth ?
Anyone ?

Best regards,
Willem

VVV · 18th March 2009, 10:06 PM

I have seen it on a few regular sikin panjang-scabbards.
Unfortunately I can't publish my personal reference pictures from private collections here but Artzi has a couple of "public" examples:

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=35
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2621
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2335
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2211
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2962
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2236

Michael

asomotif · 18th March 2009, 10:21 PM

Thanks Michael,

You are fast

How could I forget to check Artzi's website...

Only one that resembles my hulu type :http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=2335

And one very interesting type of hulu that looks somewhere inbetween hulu tumpang and hulu peusangang : http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2236

thanks for the info.
Strange by the way that often this ivory mouthpiece is not combined with gold on the handles.
in my opinion these materials both could indicate wealth and status.

VVV · 19th March 2009, 09:48 AM

Willem,

I just tried some mind-reading...
Actually I find this hilt most interesting of the samples

http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=2962

I agree that I haven't either seen gold crowns and ivory scabbard mouth as an original combination, which indeed is strange.

Michael

asomotif · 19th March 2009, 10:27 AM

Hello Michael,

Yes, that one is very interesting indeed.
Also the blade with the protrusions is somethin I have not seen on a sikin before.

Too bad that it has a replacement scabbard. You wonder what the original was like.

18th March 2009, 12:20 AM	#1
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,222	Sikin Panjang / Missing scabbard mouth ? help ? Hello, Just bought his old Sikin from someone who's great grandfather fought in Atjeh before 1900. The scabbard mouth is missing. The hilt is : hulu tumpanng " and so far I have never seen this type hilt with a scabbard that has a loose scabbardmouth. Any suggestions to what type of scabbard mouth could have been fitted in the past ? Best regards, Willem Attached Images

18th March 2009, 08:19 AM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Nice find! Probably the ivory version, not the horn, based on that it was removed. Michael Attached Images

18th March 2009, 08:55 AM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I agree with Michael. Ivory.

18th March 2009, 10:18 AM	#4
Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,324	Hi Willem, I like this one... Now a nightly trip with a fretsaw to "Artis"???? Kind regards, Maurice

18th March 2009, 10:05 PM	#7
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,222	Dear Erik, I could not find the correct 'hulu' name earlier today. But indeed uptill now I only saw ivory combined with hulu peusangang and hulu rumpung. Never with hulu tumpang as this piece suggest. However, and that is why I already made the picture with the other blade, this blade is very narrow and long compared to any other sikins I have seen. It really fits the scabbard like a glove. (a bit of a broken glove ) And therefore also my request here. I am looking for sikins with Hulu tumpang and an ivory scabbard mouth ? Anyone ? Best regards, Willem

18th March 2009, 10:06 PM	#8
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	I have seen it on a few regular sikin panjang-scabbards. Unfortunately I can't publish my personal reference pictures from private collections here but Artzi has a couple of "public" examples: http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=35 http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2621 http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2335 http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2211 http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2962 http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2236 Michael

18th March 2009, 10:21 PM	#9
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,222	Thanks Michael, You are fast How could I forget to check Artzi's website... Only one that resembles my hulu type :http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=2335 And one very interesting type of hulu that looks somewhere inbetween hulu tumpang and hulu peusangang : http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2236 thanks for the info. Strange by the way that often this ivory mouthpiece is not combined with gold on the handles. in my opinion these materials both could indicate wealth and status.

19th March 2009, 09:48 AM	#10
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Willem, I just tried some mind-reading... Actually I find this hilt most interesting of the samples http://www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=2962 I agree that I haven't either seen gold crowns and ivory scabbard mouth as an original combination, which indeed is strange. Michael

19th March 2009, 10:27 AM	#11
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,222	Hello Michael, Yes, that one is very interesting indeed. Also the blade with the protrusions is somethin I have not seen on a sikin before. Too bad that it has a replacement scabbard. You wonder what the original was like.