Copper Hilted Katar For Comment

Lew · 10th April 2007, 08:39 AM

Hi All

I just acquired this nice katar once it arrives I will etch the blade to see if it is wootz.

Lew

katana · 10th April 2007, 04:50 PM

Nice one Lew,
is it unusual to have one cross bar (although it widens at either end) ? How does it feel 'in the hand' ?

Jens Nordlunde · 10th April 2007, 04:51 PM

Hi Lew,
Congratulations with your new katar

. To see a katar with a copper hilt is not common at all – are you sure it is copper?
Please let us see some better pictures when you get it – also from the side.

Hi Katana,
One cross bar is not common, but you see it now and again. Have a look at this.

Jens

Lew · 10th April 2007, 05:02 PM

Jens

I have already handled this katar at Timonium and I am pretty sure it's copper or copper flashed I will take better pics once it arrives next week.

Lew

katana · 10th April 2007, 05:32 PM

Jens, that's a beauty

Flavio · 10th April 2007, 06:01 PM

Lew, a very nice piece!! Congratulations!!! I hope to find one of this quality soon or later ....

Lew · 10th April 2007, 07:13 PM

Here is another shot of the katar.

Battara · 11th April 2007, 02:35 AM

I like it plenty!

Jens Nordlunde · 11th April 2007, 03:26 PM

Lew

I had a look in some of my books, and found the attached picture in Contribution a L’etude des Armes Orientales. Vol. I-II, Paris 1931. It is in vol. II plate 15.

Although my French is close to non-existent, it was easy to see that the three katars to the right are said to be Deccani katars. I am not surprised as I had a feeling they were from Deccan. The katars, like your and mine, with only one cross bar, are likely to come from the same area, although I don’t know from where, and Deccan is a very big place to go looking, so you will have to be patient until we find some more hints

.

Jens

Lew · 11th April 2007, 04:17 PM

Jens

Deccan that's great to hear I can hit a few of my books for more info.

Thanks

Lew

Lew · 12th April 2007, 06:52 AM

Jens

There is a similar katar in Egerton's book after page 114 plate X number 512 it has an identical langet but has a double hand grip. Egerton says it's from Haidarabad Deccan?

Jens Nordlunde · 12th April 2007, 05:03 PM

Lew,

The Deccan katar side guards can be short and sometimes broad, but they can also be like the north Indian side guards, and they can have one or more cross guards. The blade is often, but not always, more triangle, and often, but not always, riveted into the hilt. Katars with only one cross bar, can also be seen on garsoe katars from Sind, but the form is different.

Jens

Lew · 21st April 2007, 05:45 PM

Jens

The katar arrived today and it's a real nice example. The hilt is definately copper and there are tiny traces of koftkari present.

Jens Nordlunde · 21st April 2007, 05:55 PM

Hi Lew,

Nice buy – congratulations

.

The traces of koftgari – are they in silver or in gold, and what does the pattern look like?

Jens

Lew · 21st April 2007, 09:11 PM

Jens

Just a tiny trace here and there but they are gold they seem like feathery or leafy but very finely done.

Lew

10th April 2007, 08:39 AM	#1
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Copper Hilted Katar For Comment Hi All I just acquired this nice katar once it arrives I will etch the blade to see if it is wootz. Lew Attached Images

10th April 2007, 04:51 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Lew, Congratulations with your new katar. To see a katar with a copper hilt is not common at all – are you sure it is copper? Please let us see some better pictures when you get it – also from the side. Hi Katana, One cross bar is not common, but you see it now and again. Have a look at this. Jens Attached Images

10th April 2007, 06:01 PM	#6
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Lew, a very nice piece!! Congratulations!!! I hope to find one of this quality soon or later .... Last edited by Flavio; 10th April 2007 at 07:07 PM. Reason: bad english...

10th April 2007, 07:13 PM	#7
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Here is another shot of the katar. Attached Images

11th April 2007, 03:26 PM	#9
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Lew I had a look in some of my books, and found the attached picture in Contribution a L’etude des Armes Orientales. Vol. I-II, Paris 1931. It is in vol. II plate 15. Although my French is close to non-existent, it was easy to see that the three katars to the right are said to be Deccani katars. I am not surprised as I had a feeling they were from Deccan. The katars, like your and mine, with only one cross bar, are likely to come from the same area, although I don’t know from where, and Deccan is a very big place to go looking, so you will have to be patient until we find some more hints. Jens Attached Images

10th April 2007, 04:50 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Nice one Lew, is it unusual to have one cross bar (although it widens at either end) ? How does it feel 'in the hand' ?

10th April 2007, 05:02 PM	#4
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Jens I have already handled this katar at Timonium and I am pretty sure it's copper or copper flashed I will take better pics once it arrives next week. Lew

10th April 2007, 05:32 PM	#5
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Jens, that's a beauty

11th April 2007, 02:35 AM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	I like it plenty!

11th April 2007, 04:17 PM	#10
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Jens Deccan that's great to hear I can hit a few of my books for more info. Thanks Lew

12th April 2007, 06:52 AM	#11
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Jens There is a similar katar in Egerton's book after page 114 plate X number 512 it has an identical langet but has a double hand grip. Egerton says it's from Haidarabad Deccan?

12th April 2007, 05:03 PM	#12
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Lew, The Deccan katar side guards can be short and sometimes broad, but they can also be like the north Indian side guards, and they can have one or more cross guards. The blade is often, but not always, more triangle, and often, but not always, riveted into the hilt. Katars with only one cross bar, can also be seen on garsoe katars from Sind, but the form is different. Jens

21st April 2007, 05:45 PM	#13
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Jens The katar arrived today and it's a real nice example. The hilt is definately copper and there are tiny traces of koftkari present. Attached Images

21st April 2007, 05:55 PM	#14
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hi Lew, Nice buy – congratulations. The traces of koftgari – are they in silver or in gold, and what does the pattern look like? Jens

21st April 2007, 09:11 PM	#15
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Jens Just a tiny trace here and there but they are gold they seem like feathery or leafy but very finely done. Lew