Twin Algerian or Moroccan knives from different Makers ?

drac2k · 29th August 2013, 10:54 PM

About 4 months ago, I bought what I thought to be a well made Moroccan or Algerian Dagger;I had never seen a knife like this.It is very well made, with a polished, wire inlaid horn handle, A fine sharp, inscribed , fullered, clip point blade over 13 & 1/4 ".What I really liked about it was the wonderful old repair made to the blade ;somebody thought enough to fix this knife rather than throw it away or repoint it.This knife came from an old Florida collection.
I was very surprised about a month ago, to see a similar blade go up for auction in Pa..This knife is almost identical, but not quite as shown. It is also longer.It has an old worn scabbard.
My question to the forum is what exactly are they & from where.Are they common(I get suspicious anytime I see two of the same thing).I also took a picture of a Kris that I acquired recently and while I don't believe that it is anything special, I would like your collective opinions before I stupidly trade it away.

Rick · 29th August 2013, 11:36 PM

IIRC, the knives are called Shula; the keris has most of its value in the handle .
Please post it in the Keris forum for more discussion .

drac2k · 30th August 2013, 04:33 AM

Thanks for the information;now that I have a name, I can do some research.

Sajen · 30th August 2013, 12:53 PM

Two nice Shula!

The keris scabbard is from East Java/Madura but the leaf in front of the scabbard is broken away and recarved. Blade is IMHO also Madura origin and have some age. The Donoriko handle from ivory is demaged, I have followed the ebay auction so I have seen the demage by the auction pictures.

Regards,

Detlef

drac2k · 30th August 2013, 01:06 PM

I appreciate the information, but this Kris wasn't on ebay,I got it on a phone bid @ Jones auction in Pa. with some other blades.You are correct, in that I think there may be some insect damage/broken elements in the handle and /or it has been recarved.The scabbard seems to be intact. I didn't take very good pictures of the Kris, so I can see why someone could mistake it for a similar one.
Thanks again for the information!

Sajen · 30th August 2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by drac2k

I appreciate the information, but this Kris wasn't on ebay,I got it on a phone bid @ Jones auction in Pa. with some other blades.You are correct, in that I think there may be some insect damage/broken elements in the handle and /or it has been recarved.The scabbard seems to be intact. I didn't take very good pictures of the Kris, so I can see why someone could mistake it for a similar one.
Thanks again for the information!

Sorry, the keris by the ebay auction was very similar, the leaf in front was also broken away and the handle have had a similar demage.

Please follow Rick's advice and post pictures from the keris in the keris forum.

Regards,

Detlef

drac2k · 30th August 2013, 01:40 PM

Will do; I'm still fairly new and getting the hang of this great site.

29th August 2013, 10:54 PM	#1
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,230	Twin Algerian or Moroccan knives from different Makers ? About 4 months ago, I bought what I thought to be a well made Moroccan or Algerian Dagger;I had never seen a knife like this.It is very well made, with a polished, wire inlaid horn handle, A fine sharp, inscribed , fullered, clip point blade over 13 & 1/4 ".What I really liked about it was the wonderful old repair made to the blade ;somebody thought enough to fix this knife rather than throw it away or repoint it.This knife came from an old Florida collection. I was very surprised about a month ago, to see a similar blade go up for auction in Pa..This knife is almost identical, but not quite as shown. It is also longer.It has an old worn scabbard. My question to the forum is what exactly are they & from where.Are they common(I get suspicious anytime I see two of the same thing).I also took a picture of a Kris that I acquired recently and while I don't believe that it is anything special, I would like your collective opinions before I stupidly trade it away. Attached Images

29th August 2013, 11:36 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,290	IIRC, the knives are called Shula; the keris has most of its value in the handle . Please post it in the Keris forum for more discussion .

30th August 2013, 04:33 AM	#3
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,230	Thanks for the information;now that I have a name, I can do some research.

30th August 2013, 12:53 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Two nice Shula! The keris scabbard is from East Java/Madura but the leaf in front of the scabbard is broken away and recarved. Blade is IMHO also Madura origin and have some age. The Donoriko handle from ivory is demaged, I have followed the ebay auction so I have seen the demage by the auction pictures. Regards, Detlef

30th August 2013, 01:06 PM	#5
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,230	I appreciate the information, but this Kris wasn't on ebay,I got it on a phone bid @ Jones auction in Pa. with some other blades.You are correct, in that I think there may be some insect damage/broken elements in the handle and /or it has been recarved.The scabbard seems to be intact. I didn't take very good pictures of the Kris, so I can see why someone could mistake it for a similar one. Thanks again for the information!

30th August 2013, 01:40 PM	#7
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,230	Will do; I'm still fairly new and getting the hang of this great site.